Schedule of propositions made by the Indians and answers given to them Part 1: Notes for Minute Book I: Dec. 20, 1677 to Dec. 17 1704

 

Schedule of propositions made by the Indians and answers given to them

(Library and Archives Canada RG 10, A.3.a, VOLUME 1839)

Part 1: Notes for Minute Book I: Dec. 20, 1677 to Dec. 17 1704

transcription and notes by Ann Hunter 2015-2016

All material not in the public domain is copyright © Ann Hunter.

Material in brackets is my best guess for unclear text and clarifications of the text.

Material in italics is notes, references, and comments.

Five digit number is stamped page number in original. Number in brackets is image number on Cornell website.

28149 [0006]

[faint writing illeg. 16F — dozen 9am 166 41 ???]

[18] January 1702

Schedule of Propositions of the Indians and answer thereto from Government Begun the 20th December 1677 ending 26th [September] 1679­­­­­­­­ [actually notes go through 1714]

Date

1677

Name of Tribes Subject of Propositions Indian Record Vol I Page Answers from Government Notes (AH)
20 Dec. Oneidas Relative the delivery of young Magikander 2

 

8

Delivery acknowledged Richter 46-47. Probably BHD 26-161.

BHD 26-162 is answer.

See DRCHNY 13:516 for related letter.

[1678] 20 [March] Oneidas Related to the late fire at Schenectady, and running of the North Indians 8 Sympathies acknowledged  

Richter 76.

[1678] 21 March Sinnekes Lament late war renew their former Covenant and promise made last year for their presents to be continued to them Thanks for their Presents. 13 Wraxall 8.
1678

22 March

[Renewal?] of former Covenants 18  

 

Wraxall 8.
23 Sept Onnondagas In Indian

No Interpretation

19 Richter 48, 76; Wraxall 9.

 

28150 [0007]

[2]

Date

1678 [1679]

Name of Tribe Subject of Propositions Indian Record Vol I Page Answer from Government

 

Notes (AH)
6 Feby Onnondagas Respecting the Onneydes not comporting themselves well 25 1678/1679
6   “ Onnondagas Indian No translation 27 Respecting keeping their [Covenant] inviolable  
15 “ Onnondagas Give no credit to the bad tidings from Schenectady relative to the fight between some Onnondagas and the [Cannajese] 30  

 

Wraxall 9
17   “ Oneydes 33 Respecting Reports raised in Schenectady concerning Covenant chain. Wraxall 9
1679

22   Jan.y

Oneydes Respecting Propositions by [Shomer] & Daniel [Eels] to release Christian Pr? Wraxall 9
1679

Feby 17th

Oneydes Thanks for their Presents will release 3 Christian [Prisonrs] Thanks for

will release

Wraxall 9

 

28151 [0008]

3.

Date

1679

Name Tribe Subject of Propositions Indian Record Vol I

Page

Answer from Government Notes (AH)
28 Feby Onnongagues 36 Relating to the Report that the Maquas Castle could be destroyed. Not in Wraxall?
25 April Oneydes 41 Relative to Chief Siveqipe sending [owan Adofse] to enquire about Messenger sent to Virginia & Maryland Not in Wraxall?
24   May Oneydes & Sakuwncers Relative to the troubles between the Six Nations and the [Christians] 44 Colden 1:27-28?; Wraxall 9?
26   “ Oneydes 47 Relative to their bringing the rest of the Prisoner[s] Colden 1:27?; Wraxall 9
26     “ Oneydes Let Corlaer take [care] that he deliver up the Squaw who is missing 48 Not in Wraxall.
16 June Mahikanders of the River [Wilde?] Inviting their Grand Governor to visit them Reply to the refusal of their Grand Governor 51 Not in Wraxall.
8 July

it two if a

woman & 2 children

Presents

3 Christian Prisoners

Mahikanders of the River [Wilde?] In Indian

No Interpretation

53 Not in Wraxall; Richter 61?

 

28152 [0009]

4.

Date

1679

Name of Tribe Subject of Proposition Indian Record

Vol I

Page

Notes (AH)
19 July No name Indian

No Interpretation

55  
21 “ Magnase

Sakannokes [?] and the Government General Court of the City of Albany

Indian

No

Interpretation

56 Wraxall 9?

Richter 56?

no date given The Government General and Antwortt

Maquase Indian

Indian

No Interpretation

59  
11 Sept Meeting of Oneydes Col. [Wm.] Kendall & Colonel Littleton authorized by Governor in Connect and Burgesses held in City Court House Albany Complain of their houses being taken and entered their Goods and people destroyed and some of their women and children taken captives into your Castles contrary to and in breach of the Terms of Peace made with Colonel [Coursey?] 101 Not in Wraxall.

 

 

28153 [0010] 5.

Date 1679 Name of Tribe or [people do Govt] Subject of Proposition Indian Record vol 1 Answer from Government Notes (AH)
no date given [Van Cornell

Wm Kendall

& Cornel & other band of [Virginians]

In Indian

no translation

Page

103

Not in Wraxall.
16 Sept. Agent of Virginia

Band & Maquas

also the Sinnekis

104 Not in Wraxall.
26 Septr Maquase and woord [van] Cornell Wm. Kendall

[illeg.]

band of Virginians

105 See LIR 48
25 Sept.r Virginia Indians by Wm. Kendall

Maquase

Relative to the Mischief done by some of their neighboring Tribes are satisfied that the Government were not concerned in it 107 Not in Wraxall.
26 Sept.r Maquase Col. [?] Wm. Kendall at Gov.nt Council Burgesses of Virginia Expressing their thanks that the Mischief done by their neighbours is pardoned and buried in oblivion 118 Not in Wraxall.

 

28154 [0011]

6.

Date

1679

Name of Tribe or the Government Subject of Proposition Indian Record Vol 1

Page

Answers from Government Notes (AH)
30 Oct.r Col. Wm. Kendes &

Gov.r & Councillor

Burgesses of

Virginia

Complaint of some of the Gov.t people having destroyed & taken away their goods and People & Children Captive into Castles 120 Not in Wraxall; LIR 52-61 covers this conference.
31 July Maquaghas [?]

Oneydos

Ononondagas

Cagugas

Indian no

translation

125  
Dec.r [exact?] date not given No name given Indian no translation 127 Van Laer Ct Minutes 3:265 July 1 1682 Md Propositions to the Commissaries & their Answers re Indian war parties. p. 271 July 13, 1682 deliberation on these proposals. p. 274 July 24 see also 307.

1682 session re Philip Schuyler conflict w/ Indian; Indians present in court.

D.o No name of Tribe Indian no translation DRCHNY 3:321 =text of conference with 5 Nations, Va & Md 3-13 August 1682
1684

31 July

De maquase

van Cortlant

Indian

no translation

135 Wraxall jumps from July 21 1679 to July 31 1684 on p. 10.

Richter 57-59, 64

no date no name Indian

No translation

137  

 

Van Laer Court Minutes 1680-1685 Vol. 3 has additional entries for 1680s. In particular see:

  1. 362 re murder and related pages. June 6 1683 Propositions and Answers by Maqua Sachems & Commander & Commissaries in the Court House. They refer to “the ancient covenant made between us in the presence of Major Pynshon” bound not with bark but with a chain of precious metal.
  1. 367 July 2 1683 Jonathan Bul of Hartford asks for 2 Indian servants who ran away. He can’t take them by force “because all Indians here are free” . The Indians at Skachkook agree with him to give him 30 beavers for the two Indians.

LIR 61- also has entries for 1680s about negotiations with MD by the Esopus, Mohicans, Catskills, etc., and other topics.

DRCHNY 13 has a few entries from 1780s relating to negotiations with the Minisinks (p. 551), relations with Maryland, (p. 555 et seq.)]

DRCHNY 3:321 has August 1682 Conference between 5 Nations and MD.

DRCHNY 3:347 has abstract of Proposals of Onondaga & Cayuga proposals Aug. 2 1684.

DRCHNY 3:417 has full Proposals Aug 2 1684. These proposals include the Susquehanna protection clause.

Colden 1:34 has text of July 13 1684 meeting, which included a ceremonial burying of actual axes, and Aug. 2 speech 1:46.

 

29155[?] [0012]

7.

Date

1684

Name of

Tribe or the

Government

Subject of

Propositions

Indian Record

Vol 1

Page

Answers from

Government

Notes (AH)

DATES ARE CONFUSED

no date The Oneydes to the Govt. Genl Indian

no translation

138  
no date no name Indian

no translation

142 Wraxall 10-11 may cover most of these entries?
no date no name Indian

no translation

143
9 Augt. Augt. no name Indian

no translation

144  
[14?] Augt. no name Indian

no translation

147  
no date The Tribe of Onnondagas Indian

no translation

149  
2 Aigst [Augst?] Onnondagaes Indian

no translation

151 Wraxall translated Aug. 2 1684 entry from “Low Dutch” see p. 11. RL had already “translated, compared, and revised” it. See DRCHNY 3:417. See also Richter 64-66;
1684

5 ” August

no name Indian

no translation

155  
”     “ ”     “ Indian

no translation

158  
[1685] 15 Feb.y ”     “ Indian

no translation

163

 

28156 [0013]

8.

Date 168[?] Name of Tribe or the Government Subject of Propositions Indian Record

vol 1

Page

 

Answers from Government Notes (AH)
8 Septr Squadinng gebonden in Albany Indian

No translation given

168  
no date No name given Indian

No translation given

169  
no date no name Indian

No translation given

172  
7 Octr no name Indian

No translation given

175  
no date no name Indian

No translation

given

176  
no date no name Indian

No translation

177  
no date no name Indian

No translation

178  
no date no name Indian

No translation

179  
168[?]

13 Nov.r

no name Indian

No translation

180  

 

28157 [0014]

9.

Entries for [1689 or 1684]: Nov. 17, Dec. 2, three with no date, Dec. 8, Dec. 11, no date, Dec. 11, Dec. 26, and Jan. 5. All say no date / no name / Indian no Interpretation. pages run 183-204.

 

23159 [0016]

11.

Date

1684

Name of Tribe or Government Subject of Propositions Indian Record

Vol. 1

Page

Answers from Government Notes (AH)

The original minutes may be out of order here chronologically?

27 Jan.y no name Indian

No Interpretation

213
30 July Right Honble

Francis Lord

Howard Gov.r

Gen.l of His

Majestys Dominion of Virginia to the Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas and [Cayugas?] Indians

Propose to have two hatchets to be buried as a final determination of all wars between us 214   LIR 71
31 July Maquas Oneydes Onnondagas & Cayugas Answer to the Propositions made by Rt. Honble Francis Lord Howard Baron of Effingham Stating that they did not join or participate in the evil done in Virginia 219   Richter 58-59, 64
no date The 4 Nations to Lord Howard Expressing their joy that the Govt have been persuaded to forgive all their former faults 220
no date the Maquas Thanks to his Lordship Lord Howard that the axe and Hatchet is taken out of all hands 223

 

 

28160 [0017]

12.

Date 1684 Name of Tribe Subject of Propositions Indian Record

vol 1

Page

Answer from Government Notes (AH)
no date Three nations thro Speakr Thasioghjaistha and Onnondago Thanking the Gov.t of Virginia for forgiving and forgetting the evils thay had done 225
no date 4 Nations Lord Baltimore & his Indians

Onneidas

Onnondagas

Cayugas

Thanks to the Gov.r of Virginia for his moderation in their behalf 226
5 August Sonnekas answer to the Propositions made to them by Lord Howard Baron of Effingham Gov.r Genl of Virginia Expressing their joy that all ill will is buried with the axe and that both are sunk in the pitt of oblivion 227 Wraxall 13
30 July Van Cortland authorized by the Govt of Massachusetts to the Maquase Sachims Indian

no Interpretation

231 Richter 56-57
2 Augt Onnondagas & Cayuga Sachims

before Lord Effingham Gov of Virginia

Col Dongan Govr of New York

Praying for protection against the French People 237 Wraxall translated Aug. 2 1684 entry from “Low Dutch” see p. 11. RL had already “translated, compared, and revised” it. See DRCHNY 3:417. See also Richter 64-66;

 

 

28161 [0018]

13

Date

1684

Name of Tribe or the Government Subject of Propositions Indian Record

vol.1

Page

Answer from Government Notes (AH)
31 July Maquas Sachems to Stephanus Cortland [agt]

[for Massachusetts?]

Thanking the Brethren of Boston for the proposals made to them three [?s] ago & for the presents given yesterday 237 Page numbers or dates are confused?
31 July The Maquas Sachems Answers to proposals made by the Honble Col. Dongan 240 Richter 64,

See Wraxall 10-11 re July 31 1684 mtg and unsigned deed for land on both sides of the Mohawk. also DRCHNY 3:417 & Early Records of Albany 2:229 (copy of deed?)

9 August The Maquas Sachems to

Rt. Honble Col. Tho. Dongan Gov.r of N. York

Declining to be annexed to the Gov.t of Canada 250   Wraxall 10-11
15 Septr. The Maquase

Oneydes

Onnondagas

Cayugas &

Sinnekes

Hon.ble Col Byrd

 

Relative to three Boys which are in their country 253 Not in Wraxall; Richter 59-60?
15 Septr Maquase

Onnondagas

Cayouges

Sinnekes

Answer to the Proposition to Captain John Pomunky 258 Not in Wraxall; Richter 59-60?

 

 

28162 [0019] 14

Date

1685

Name of Tribe or the Government Subject of Propositions Indian Record

Vol 1

Page

Answer from Government Notes (AH)
15 Septr Maquases

Oneydes

Onondagas

Answers to propositions made by Rt. Honble Col Tho. Dongan Gov.r Genl. Relative to their disobediance in not making Peace with the French 261 Not in Wraxall; Richter 59-60
”     “ Captain Jno

[Pestealins]

[Popettesonimin]

King of Sommatky Indians & Sachims

Request that they may be protected in their Hunting Grounds and Mountains 264 Not in Wraxall; Richter 59-60
5 August Sinnekes

Cayugas

Onnondagas

Onneydes

Maquase

Proposition of

His Excelly

Captain Genl

Dongan of New York

Relative to the War made by the French on the Indians

Messenger sent to His Majesty King of England and recommends one being sent on behalf of the Five Nations to the Christian Indians of Canada to persuade to come home to yr native country and to promise them all protection

267 Not in Wraxall?

1686?

 

 

23163 [0020]

15.

Date 1687 Name of Tribe or the Government Subject of Propositions Indian Record vol 1

Page

Answers from Government Notes (AH)  
3 Sept Onydes Sachem of to Mayor & Aldermen of Albany Delivery of the six prisoners taken captive by this Band 276    
1684

3 May

no name Indian

no interpretation

278 Dates Confused  
1685

3 Nov

no name Indian

no interpretation

280    
no date no name Indian

no interpretation

281    
D.o d.o no name Indian

no interpretation

282    
no date no name Indian

no interpretation

283    
14 Nov. no name Indian

no interpretation

284    
19 “ no name Indian

no interpretation

286    
23 “ no name Indian

no interpretation

289    

 

 

28164 [0021]

16.

“No name, Indian no interpretation” for the following dates and pages:

1685

1st Dec.           296

30 Dec.           304

5 January       305

2 Dec.              313

no date           315

 

1686

1 April             318

23 April          319

6 May             321

29 May           322

31 July [Sakasoodes?] Band                         Indian no interpretation      325     Richter 76?

7 Augt Indians of Shackwook           Indian no interpretation      329

 

28165 [0022]

17.

All entries say “Indian no interpretation”. The following meetings are listed:

1686

22 August      Lumbeg                                  p. 330

1687

March 31       Sannondowanes?                  p. 331             Richter 78? (also entry for Septr 24                                                                                                              1686)

no date           Tahaidoris

Smahannaker                                    p. 334                         DRCHNY 3:483? Sept. 9 1687

27 [Jan.y?]      Cayouges

Takasmakeor &

Magistrates

of Albany                                p. 337             Richter 68?

20 [June?]      [Tannondagas]                      p. 339

9 [July?]          Shacboob Indians                 p. 341                         LIR 130?

Dongan Conference with the Five Nations Aug 1687 see DRCHNY 3:438 et seq.

9 Jany [1688?            [Maquase] Sachims &

Magistrates

of Albany                                p. 342

21 Feb.y         Sachim Maquase to ye

[1689]                        Commands & Magistrates

of Albany                                p. 343                         Wraxall 14?; Richter 61-62. 79

 

 

28166 [0023]

18.

Date

1689

Name Tribe or Government Subject of Proposition Indian Record vol 1

Page

Answer from Government Notes (AH)
[8 March?] Shackboch Indians 6th June are glad that the selling of Liquor is prohibited 344  
1st May Shackbock Indians Assurance of their inclination and affection towards you as much as ever 345  
1689

 

17 Jan.y [June]

Maquase

Sakamackers

Canedgunlust

Tonaquiunise

Ognodagon

 

Indian

no interpretation

346 Richter 80
18 Jan.y [June] no name Indian

no interpretation

348 Richter 80
27 Jan.y [June] Sakamakers

The Sinnekes

Cayouges

Onnondages

Oneidas

Mayor Aldermen & Commonalty of Albany

Indian no interpretation 351 Richter 48-49, 81
28 June Sinnekes

Cayouges

Onondagas

Oneydas Mayor

Aldermen & Commonalty

Commander & Military officers of City of Albany

Indian

no interpretation

356  

 

28167 [0024] 19

Date 1689 Name of Tribe or Government Subject of Propositions Indian Record vol. 1 Page Answer from Government Notes (AH)-chaos b/c of Leisler during this period.
20 Aug.t Shachkook Indians to the Mayor & Aldermen of Albany Relative to Covenant with the Indians from the Eastward not to do harm to their [farpest?] 359 Richter 81-83; Aug. 10 1689 entry in City Records (Munsell Annals 2: describes rumor brought by Schaghts.
29 Augt. Antwordt to Shachkookse Indian

no interpretation

360 Richter 83
“” Magistrates of Albany & Onnondagas Indian no interpretation 362 Richter 83 Probably the speech printed in Munsell Annals 2:112
3 Sept. Govt. at Albany In relation to the fight between the Tinndhees and the Western Indians and the French 363 See Munsell Annals 2:112-128 re Indian Affairs & the war.
16 [Dec.?] River Indians to Col John Pynchen Major

[illeg.]

Captain A. Beecker

Captain J Bull against Lt. Collings of Massachusetts Plymouth & Connecticut

Thanks for the Ammunition given to them 364 LIR 150 et seq? See Munsell Annals 2:153 for Maquase support for C of A in face of Leisler. See 2:159 et seq. for Mohawk message via Akus & 5 Nations message via Jacques Cornellisen; also Richter 83-84

 

28168 [0025] 20.

Date 1689 [/90?] Name of Tribe or Government Subject of Proposition Indian Record vol. 1 Page Answers from Government
29 Feby 5 Nations of Indians Maquase Onydes Onondagas Cayougas to the Returning their thanks for the remoration of their Covenant Chain 365

 

[Subsequent entries all say “No name / Indian no Interpretation” for the following dates and pages:]

1689 25 February                p. 370

1689 27 ?                              p. 380

1689/1690

1690 4 Jan.y                          p. 381             Richter 84?

1690 7 Jan.y                          p. 382

1690 6 Jany                           p. 384                         Richter 69?

no date                                   p. 386

1690 3 Feb.y                         p. 388

no date                                   p. 389

Notes: See Munsell Annals 2:162- 166; During this period, the “Convention” of Albany was functioning as a body to handle Indian Affairs and maintaining ties with the Haudenosaunee, Mahikanders and other nations. Members of the Convention included Pieter Schuyler; Jacques (Akus) Cornelisen continued to work as a translator. Schuyler, Livingston et al refused to join Leisler, using the argument that to do so would disrupt Indian Affairs and bring about Indian hostilities.

Munsell Annals 2:177 et seq. includes more records of negotiations with the 5 Nations and events leading up to the French attack on Schenectady, a period in which Dutch, Mahikanders, and 5 nations were working together diplomatically and militarily.

See also DHNY 1:302-306 re burning of Schenectady.

Munsell Annals 2:184 describes how the Anglo-Dutch encouraged the Maquas and River Indians to move closer to Dutch and English settlements at Schenectady and Catskill.

 

28169 [0026]

21. Note gaps in dates and pages.

no date           /Sakamakes /                        Indian No Interpretation     p. 390

entries with no date / no name / Indian no interpretation for pages 392, 394, 396

16 Feb.y 1689 [1690] Sedquanachids & Gamakes / Indian / n.i. p. 400

25 Feb. [1690] Sachims of the 3 Maquases Express their regret for the murders committed by the French on their Brethren of Schenitady and lament their death and condole with at Schenectaday The Governor of Canada comes to our Country & speaks of Peace at onnondage but war is in his heart.                                                    p. 402

See Munsell Annals 2:186-191 for this condolence speech and the C of A answer, including the phrase quoted. This treaty was printed and sold see NYHS Coll. 1869 p 165 et seq.

27 February 1690 The Maquaase Sachims Relative to the War p. 405

See Munsell Annals 2: 213 et seq. and 2:234 et seq. for continuing joint military efforts with Jannetie aka Lawrence the Indian playing a leading role. R Livingston is in hot water at this point and Akus testifies against him. 2:216. Also see LIR 158 et seq.

NOTE GAP: Wraxall says on p. 13 that between Governor Dongan’s Speech to the 5 Nations August 5 1687 and June 2 1691 “I cannot fine any Govrs Speech or meeting with the Indians Recorded. the intermediate Space of Time in the records is filled up with Transactions between the Magistrates of Albany & the Indians; in some parts They are entituled the Convention of Albany.”

 

1698 [1691]

2 June             Oneydes Onnondagas & Sinnekes to

Capt. ” of the Province of ?

Relative to their many troubles by the late Userpation

So many things are

so strange [illeg.] on                                                  p. 408

Richter 49, Wraxall 16, DRCHNY 3:774-777; S of P adds nothing.

 

28170 [0027]

22

Date

1698 [1691]

Name of Tribe Subject of Proposition Indian Record

vol I

Page

Answer from Government Notes (AH)
no date Brother Corlaer Relative to the many troubles of late by the late usurpation and [professing] their [?] that all things will soon be better 409 Richter 49, Wraxall 16, DRCHNY 3:774-777; S of P adds nothing.
3 Jan.y no name Relative to the examination of Capt. Shuyler & Captain Paling being examined about the [townganlisent Tollisus] relative to the Christian Prisoners in the late war. Not in Wraxall?
3 June Shackkook Indians Relative to the planting of the tree meaning the protection of their land. 416   Richter 85
4 June Maquaes

Sachems to His Excellency Col. [Douglas??] Gov.r Gen.l in Chief

Have [come] to inform the [Jus.t of its indens] as to what happened to their Indians 418 Wraxall 16

 

23471 [0028]

23

Date

1698 [1691]

Name of Tribe Subject of Proposition Indian Record

Vol 1 Page

Answers from Government Notes (AH)
8 Jan.y [June?] answer of His Excellency The Gov. Gen.l to the Maquaes Oneidas Onnondagas Cayugas Sinnekes & Shackkook Indians Relative to the Gov.r Genl’s propositions to the Five Nations regard to French and the Treaty made with them. 420 Wraxall 17
1691

5 June

5 Nations

[Westwardous]

Maquases Oneydes Onnondages Cayugas & Sinnekes & the Captn. Genral in Chief of the Province of New York

Relative to the proposals for their going out against the French being very acceptable 424 Wraxall 17
1691

5th Jan.y

Gov.r Genral to certain Indians ordering a Company to be raised for an expedition to Canada. 425  

 

28172 [0029]

24

Date

1691

Name of Tribe Subject of Proposition Indian Record Vol 1 Page Answer from Government Notes (AH)
5 Augt Tosaqua the Captain of 41 Maquase now bound for Canada Expressing that they have come this [illeg.] upon the expedition to Canada 426
11 Augt Maquase Indians Relative to their expedition to Canada 427 Richter 85; See LIR 162 et seq.
19 Oct.r Carachkondie and Sadequanachtie 2 chiefs Sachems of Onondagas accompanied with some of the Sachims of Oneydes & Cayugas to the Mayor & Aldermen of Albany Condoling with Brethren to condole upon the death of their people lost at the late engagement in Canada and requesting to be supplied with Powder and ammunition 428
21 Octr Govt. to the Chiefs and Sachems of the Oneydes Cayugas and Onnondagas 429 Thanks for their condol[ences] in the loss of their Peopls killed in the War in Canada.

 

UP TO THIS POINT (late 1992,  p. 429 of Volume I of the AIC Minutes) THE S OF P IS TOO CONFUSED TO BE MUCH USE.

However, it does reveal that it was kept mostly in Dutch except for proposals from the governor and other colonies, which were entered in English. It also gives us a rough index of what was entered in English, which can be correlated to some degree with the copies in other sources.

Beginning in 1692, it becomes more coherent, and starting in June 1692 following Ingoldsby’s conference, it adds new details and entries.

 

28173 [0030]

25

Date

1692

Name of Tribe Subject of Propositions Indian Record Vol 1 Page Answers from Government Notes (AH)
6 June Rich.d Ingoldsby Commander in Chief of their Majesties of the Province of New York to the Sachims of the Five Nations of [illeg] Maquase Onydes Onnondagas Cayugas and Sinnekes 431 Has come to manifest the good affection he has for their Brethren to view the position of the Place: so as to take effectual care to secure it from the designs of the Enemy who had ordered larger Forces there Text in DRCHNY 3:840 et seq. S of P adds nothing, but is becoming   more detailed and dates are more consistent.

 

Summary in Wraxall 17 et seq.

6 June 5 nations name of Tribes not given That they have taken notice of what has been said to by Hon.ble [Richard] Ingoldsby Commander in Chief of Province of New York 437 Text in DRCHNY 3:842 et seq.; S of P adds nothing.

 

28174 [0031]

26.

Date

1692

Name of Tribe Subject of Proposition Indian Record

Vol 1 Page

Answer from Government

 

Notes (AH)
[6] June Maquase Have heard the proposals made to them which are very acceptable 452 Text in DRCHNY 3:842 et seq.; S of P adds nothing.
6 June Five Nations Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekas to Richard Ingoldsby Commander in Chief of Their Majesties Province of N. York Thanking Corlaer for his Presence at this place to view the strength thereof and likewise for the Forces he brought along with him and for his resolution to garrison Half Moon and Canastagioene when the Forces comes as he did to Schenectady and complaining and asking to know the reasons why Maryland Delaware and N. England Indians are to be disengaged from this war since you have told us that they are our Brethren and subjects. 454 Text in DRCHNY 3:842 et seq.; S of P adds nothing.; Wraxall 18 – dates in S of P have become more accurate.

 

28175 [0032]

27.

Date

1692

Name of Tribe Subject of Propositions Indian Record Vol 1 Page Answer from Government Notes (AH)
13 June River Indians to Major Ingoldsby Commander in Chief Expressing their gladness that live under the light of corlaer their Father and the whole of the Christians who are a great people 457 Not included in DRCHNY or Wraxall accounts of June Conference.
22 Octr River Indians to the Maquase of Albany Relative to their Indians diminishing by going a hunting 459 Not in Wraxall.
26 Dec.r 2 Sachems of Onnondagas called Deganotwa & Degagoonde to Major R. Ingoldsby Gov.r of all and Commandr in Chief acquainting the Govr of their design of going to Canada to meet the French 460 Not in Wraxall.
1693

25 Feby

5 Nations to His B Fletcher Captain General Relative to being called upon in regard to the French in Canada their Enemy 463 Summary in Wraxall 18;

Text in DRCHNY 4:22; S of P adds nothing.

26 Feby Sachims of the Five Nations Relative to their return from the French War in Canada 464 Text in DRCHNY p. 24; S of P adds nothing.

 

28176 [0033]

28.

Date

1693

Name of Tribe Subject of Proposition Indian Record vol 1 Page Answers from Government Notes (AH)
31 May Sinnekes Soldiers from the farthermost Nation in Fort Albany come after their Old Custom to condole in the Blood that is shed by the French and the Indians 465 Not in Wraxall.
3 July His Excelly B. Fletcher Captn Genl Governor in Chief of New York, Pennsylvania to the 5 Nations of Indians Maquase Oneydes Onnondages Cayougas & Sinnekes His disappointment at receiving Commands from the Great King & Queen of England who were graciously pleased at their sending their Royal Mandate requesting me on its receipt to repair into Pennsylvania and take that Province into their Majestie’s immediate Care and [illeg.] 466  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Summary Wraxall 18; DRCHNY has text 4:37, 38

This speech starts p 40. S of P adds nothing.

 

4 July Five Nations or Cantons of Indians the Maquase Oneydes Onondagas Sinnekes to Captain Genl Fletcher Captn Genl & Governor in Chief of New York Relative to the Bloody War in which they are involved 469 Captn General & Commander in Chief states that we are much rejoiced that the King and Queen of England do take note of us so as to extend their [illeg.] by making so considerable a [illeg.]

 

Wraxall p. 19 Text in DRCHNY p. 4:43 S of P adds nothing.

 

28177 [0034]

29.

Date

1693

Name of Tribe Subject of Proposition Indian Record Vol 1 Answers from Government Notes (AH)
6 July Benj. Fletcher Captn Genl & Govr in Chief to River Indians Relative to their withdrawing all their Forces out of their Castles to hunt and [illeg] leaving their [illeg] unprotected & exposed to the accidents and hardships which attend a country embarked with a watchful Enemy as this is 474   DRCHNY 4:41; S of P adds nothing.
5 July His Exy the Capt Genl sent for the Sachims of the Five Nations It is high time for you now to go home to your Castles that they may be secured from all attempts of the enemy to govern New York 477 DRCHNY 4:44; S of P adds nothing.
no date Five Nations reply to Brother Cayenquiragoe They forgot the article concerning the horses but will take care that whoever kills any horses or Cattle belonging to Christians shall make satisfaction 478 DRCHNY 4:44; S of P adds nothing.

 

28178 [0035]

34.

Date

1693

Name of Tribe Subject of Proposal Indian Record Vol I Page Answer from Government Notes (AH)
Five Nations to Brother [Cayuquiage] Proposal to make Peace with the Dionnandades a nation of Indians who are in alliance with the French of Canada which will strengthen them & weaken the Enemy.

His Excy [illeg.] approved of their proposals to make Peace.

479 DRCHNY 4:45; S of P adds nothing.
[1694]

2 Feby

Sachims of 5 Nations Sachims of 5 Nations of Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes Relative to the French from Canada having sent a belt back to express their thanks 480   Text in DRCHNY 4:85; Wraxall summary p. 20; S of P adds nothing
[1694] 8 Feby [6 in Wraxall & DRCHNY] Majr P. Schuyler answer to the Five Nations States that he is not satisfied with their dubious answer made to the proposal of His [Excy The Commander] the Governor General 488   Text in DRCHNY 4:90; Wraxall summary p. 21-22; S of P adds nothing.

 

28179 [0036]

3[?]    [heading same]

1693 [1694]

7 Feby

Sachems of the Five Nations Respecting the impossibility of keeping them from making Peace with the French 489   Text in DRCHNY 4:90 et seq; S of P adds nothing.
1694

3 May

Sachems of Five Nations Maquase Oneydes Onondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes

His Excy John Fletcher Captn Genl & Governor in Chief of the Province of Pennsylvania

agreed upon by all the tribes that should not keep up any correspondence with the French in Canada 492   Wraxall 22
5 May His Ency the Govr Genl. to the Five Nations 497 The Govt cannot proceed to answer their proposals until they are satisfied on three heads with the lack the Govt. has always treated you is wrongfully accused. Wraxall summary 23; S of P adds nothing.

 

28480 [0037]

32 [same heading]

1694

6 May

Five Nations to Brother Cayenquarege We acknowledge to have stated in our Proposals that in all circumstances you never opposed our Gov.t but cautioned us not to listen to the language of the French to keep up meetings in the occasion 498   Wraxall summary 23-24; S of P adds nothing.
15 August Sachims of Five Nations of the Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes to His Excy B. Fletcher Captain General & Governor in Chief of New Yorke Relative to the Messages delivered to the Five Nations together to consult about [mutualy?] for their public Good 502   Wraxall summary 25; S of P adds nothing.

 

28181 [0038]

33. [same heading]

1694

16 Augt.

His Excellcy

B. Fletcher

Col Cortland

Col Bayard

Col Smith

Col Brooks

Col Schuyler

(Comml of New York)

 

Col. J. Pynchon

Major [illeg]

Major Townsend (Comm.rs for Massachusetts)

 

col J Allyn

Captn [Harley] (Commisrs for Connecticut)

 

 

Respecting the Govt. of Canada sending for them 508   Wraxall summary p. 26; S of P adds names of those present.
17 Augt The Sachims & Sackamakers

of the Onnondagas

Warning parties against giving the Indians strong drink making them drunk and distracted 513   Wraxall summary 26 doesn’t include this point.
[illeg] Aug.t The River Indians to His Excellency the Captain Genl in Albany In times of old the River Indians were a living Nation but are now much dimmed by the War carried on by the Crown. 516   not in Wraxall

 

28182 [0039]

34 [same heading]

1694

20 Augt

His Exy B. Fletcher

 

Col A Hamilton

Gov.r of Jersey

Col Cortlandt

Col N. Bayard

Col. Wm Smith

Childe Barole [Chidley Brooks?] Esq.

(Commrs. of the

Province of New York

 

Col. J. Pyncher

Saml Lamb Esq

Major Genl Townsend

Col Jos Alleyn

Captain Calder

Gravely

The Sachims of the Five Nations

Whether the Indians had made a firm Peace 577   Wraxall summary p. 27; S of P adds names of those present.
23 August His Exy B. Fletcher Captn Genl to the River Indians

 

 

and I charge

Relative to the death of one their Nation accidentally. Having heard a good character and that you had behaved well & like obedient children and good subjects to your Great King of [sic] Queen of England 527   Not in Wraxall
   
   

 

28183 [0040]

35. [same heading]

1695

6 Feb.y

Five Nations On hearing the Report that an army of the French had been at the Lake Champlain on their way to Albany, for which we came down without anything but our arms 529 referred to DRCHNY 4:118

 

Not in Wraxall.

6 July Five Nations Should the French our enemy make any attempts the Five Nations are to protect all they can, and sent notice to the Govt thereof with all speed. Not in Wraxall.
3 July The Shackkooks Indians

Major Schuyler

J. Stubbs

J. Bleeker

Janlanwigs

Albert Rykman

Renew the old Covenant chain at the beginning we had a Covenant to hold fast by the hand, it is now fastened with an Iron Chain which we hope will never rust. 532 Not in Wraxall.

 

28184 [0041] 36. [same headings]

1695

28 Augt.

10 of the Principal Sachims of Mohoggs Country Bringing a token from the Five Nations whereby we acquaint your Escy that it is certain that the Governor of Canada hath kindly [sic] his fire at Cadanadiqui again, and is busy repairing the Walls I speak from the [Lanitron] Captn of Ononnsdaga who desires the thirty soldiers which were promised to him formerly to lay in Garrison at Onnondaga. 533   Wraxall summary 27; S of P adds details.

 

 

LIR 172 et seq. is related.

10 Sept. His Excellency B. Fletcher Captn Genl & Governor in Chief to the Five Nations to wit the Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes Is glad to welcome them here and are better satisfied to fine that a greater number are engaged in opposing the common Enemy the French and their Indians who are by all artifices of fraud and force endeavoring to gain upon us. 536   Wraxall 27-28 summarizes this conference. S of P words Fletcher’s address in a different tone.

 

 

 

28185 [0042]

37 [same heading]

1695

19 Septr

Five nations viz The Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes to the Propositions made by His Excellency B. Fletcher Captn Genl & Governor in Chief The Five Nations are come here to you, the alarm of the French our Enemy in our Country has been the occasion here is not a greater number to meet our Brother Cayonsuragod 539 Wraxall summary 27-28; S of P wording is different.

 

Wraxall: “no Indian Transactions recorded”between 9-18-95 and July 20, 1698” is confirmed by S of P making same jump. There are conferences in DRCHNY eg 4:175 et seq. Dirck Wessels, Godfriedius Dellius, & Pieter Schuyler are made Indian Commissioners Aug. 10 1696 . The notes during this period are not signed by RL and The NY Council recommends not paying him. As of May 1698, he again signs docs. See DRCHNY 4:204

[1698]

20 July

Five Nations Maquases Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes to His Excellency Richd [Coote?] Hon Bellomont Captain Gen.l Gov.r in Chief & The Indian

no interpretation

543 His Excellency Lord Repulyd Thanking them heartily of the welcom he had had [illeg] the Indins.

 

 

Wraxall summary 28. S of P adds the info that the 5 Nations speech is recorded in Dutch.

 

28186 [0043]

38 [same heading]

1695 [1698 Bellomont did not arrive in America until 1698.]

21 July

Col P. Schuyler & Mayor

Dirk D. Gonlain

Col. Romer to

Indian Sachims of Canada in Albany

546 We are glad to see you here again and that you have not forgot the love you have for your native Country Wraxall summary 28-29; S of P adds wording.
22 July 5 Nations of Cantons van Indiand Westwards vizt Maquase Oneydes Onondagas Cayugas Sinnekes to His Excellency Richard Earl Bellamont Captain Genl Governor in Chief of His Majesty’s Province of New York [note in pencil]

Ask the befr Sujet   for pri … plass

547    

Wraxall summary 29; S of P adds nothing.

 

23187 [0044]

39. [same heading]

1695 [8]

23 July

Canada Indians Returning His Excy Lord Bellemont thanks for the Presents furnished them. 551   summarized Wraxall 30
25 July no name Indian No Interpretation 552  
27 July Maquase Indians to His Excellency the Earl of Belomont Praying that they may be granted a large Tract of land 553   Wraxall 30- Bellomont promises to vacate the Dellius grant; Wraxall’s version makes more sense.

 

Munsell Annals 2:30 et seq begin the discussion in the Albany City Council about the Dellius grant.

25 July Bas [Das] Shachkooks Indians to His Excellency the Earl of Bellemont Indian

No Interpretation

560 Not in Wraxall
25 July Five Nations to His Excellency the Earl of Bellomont in Albany Indian

No

Interpretation

563   Wraxall summary 30

 

28188 [0045]

44 [same heading]

1695 [1698]

15 July

The Shachkooks to His Lordship Earl Bellemont Too small to make out [in pencil] 768 [568?] not in Wraxall
28 July The Maquase sachems Would have brought the French Proposals along with them but being told they were now free by virtue of the Treaty of Peace they delivered up and made exchange of Prisoner brought from Canada that the said 2 men may come along and delivered up by your cordial exchange not in Wraxall
1 August River Indians or Maliteandest Too small to make out [in pencil] 571 not in Wraxall

 

28183 [0046]

41.

1695 [1698 – Frontenac died Nov. 1698.]

26 Dec

Mayor Aldermen and the Commanding Officer of the Albany Garrison Relative to the message received from the Government of Canada with the news of the death of Governor Fromtrais and that one the old persons had gone to New York on his voyage to France communicating the same message there 572   Text in DRCHNY 4:491; Summary in Wraxall 30; S of P nothing.
27 Dec.r [1698] Maquase indians of Ornikko the first Castle of the Maquase where the Praying Indians live Stating that the people of Schenectady have of late found a way to rob them of their Indian Corn by bringing into their Castles and trading the same for [Corn] by means we are in danger of starching then[?] now that that they are so much [?]which 573   Summary in Wraxall 31

 

see Munsell Annals 3:19 where C of A orders people not to buy Indians Corn 12-15-1696

 

28190 [0047]

42 [same heading]

1696 [8/9]

6 Feb.y

Soquans the Sachem of the Mahikander or River Indians

Robt. Livingston in Albany

Two Indians have arrived from canada who inform me that the French and their indians are on your Lakes and forests hunting State an old man called Iatahangrarodidse having got drunk at Johanna Prats he was beaten and is quite lame. 574 Not in Wraxall.
3 Feby [1699 per Wraxall.] Sachims the Onnondages Schanissons

Carondawini

A certain Indian of their Castle called Tohonssowadinne applied to Corlaer and who told him it was bad for him to go to see his Father which was debated among the Sachims who were of opinion that we should send a Wampum [?] Sachems saying why should we send a Wampum to the French Text in DRCHNY 4:492 et seq.; Summary in Wraxall p. 31-32. S of P adds nothing.

 

28191 [48]

43 [same heading]

1696 [9]

3 Feby

Sakemker

Onnondagas

Aptiendat

Indian

No Interpretation

532   Dutch version of same conference?
5 Feby [1699 per Wraxall] Onnondagas Convened together to hinder the 5 Nations from making further negotiations with the French 584 Text in DRCHNY 4:494; S of P adds nothing; Summary Wraxall p. 31-32.
6 Feby The Govt at Albany Relative to the Request of Captain J. Schuyler relative to the 6 Frenchmen lately come from Canada and that the Sachems should be examined about those false and scandalous depositions 585 Text in DRCHNY 4:495; S of P adds nothing; Possibly Wraxall p. 31-32.
10 Feby The Mayor and Aldermen Robert Livinst having been disposed to regret relative to the Paper addressed to Col. Schuyler 586 Not in Wraxall.

 

28192 [0049]

44

1696 [1699?]

10 Feby

Justices of the Peace of the City of Albany by the Order of the Commanding Officer of this Garrison Ordering that no horses mares nor Colts be transported from here to Canada on pain of forfeiture until such time that His Excellency the Earl of Bellomont shall give his further orders directing this affair 588   Not in Wraxall.
1699

10 Jan.y [June per DRCHNY]

The Mayor Justices of the Peace of the City of Albany Examining a Christian Maquase Indian relative to a certain writing which was made at the House of Donald [sic] Dallius yesterday Instant when he the said Dallias went away which has caused great disturbance amongst the Inhabitants 588   Text in DRCHNY 4:539; S of P adds nothing (other than that Wraxall omitted it.) Not in Wraxall.

 

“Sinnonquiresse the Maquase Sachim” plays a role.

 

28193 [0050]

45. [same table format in the original; at this point I am dropping it in the transcription because it is awkward as entries get longer.]

June 12 1699 entry – p. 597 – Meeting of the Government appointed to manage the Indian Affairs in Albany

2 Govt people will be sent with the Indians to Canada to treat with with French for the release of their Prisoners.

Summary in Wraxall p. 32; text in DRCHNY 4:567 et seq.

June 13 1699 entry – p. 601 – Text in DRCHNY 4:569; summary in Wraxall p. 32-33; S of P adds nothing. [concerns prisoner exchange with Canada]

June 14 1699 entry – p. 606 with Sachims of the Five Nations “too small to read”     Text in DRCHNY 4:571; part of meeting summarized in Wraxall p. 32-33.

28194 [0051]

46

June 15 1699 “The Government Relative to the delivery of three French Prisoners for their Brethren to Canada” p. 610 –

see Wraxall p. 33. Text in DRCHNY 4:572; S of P adds nothing.

June 16 1699            “The Sachims” Too small to make out p. 611 – Text in DRCHNY 4:573 – continues conference.

June 23 1699 entry for p. 613 appears to correspond with Wraxall p. 33 description of an August 23 1699 meeting about negotiations between the Five Nations and Wm. Markham on behalf of Pennsylvania. The entry refers to a letter of 18 April, entered into the S of P as a separate entry. Wraxall has a brief summary; the entry in the S of P is:

23 June Canessin Sachims of Onnondaga accompanied by 6 sachims of the Sinnekas and Cayugas in Albany

Wm. Markham Lt. Govr of the Province of Pennsylvania & Countres annexed made the right Honble Wm Penn absolute Proprietor & Governor in Chief of the same

18 April certifies that all whom it may concern that Kikshawtegh Sennekah Konnekeytegh Coyoqueagh Sattatenapow Sennecah have been with me in behalf of the Five Nations to Wit sennecas Cayoquekes Annondagas Ondeges & Mawques and in their behalf have requested a free trade and amity with this Government which was kindly accepted and promise made that they should be kindly received and dealt with all and have protection whenever they shall come peaceably amongst us

Dated Philadelphia 18th April 1699 signed Wm M[arkham]

 

[0052] is a lighter image of 28194

 

28195 [0053]

47

“no date” entry p. 614 is response to the letter. See Wraxall 33.

“We are surprised to hear of such a Treaty, and negotiation between your Brethren and our Neighbours of Pennsylvania without the least notice given or Care and permission obtained.”

16 May 1698 [1699 or 1700?] p. 616 Chief Sachims of the 4 Nations of Indians viz Onnondagas Oneydes Cayugas and Sinnekes at Albany.

Sadekammachtady Speaker

They came to excuse themselves of the scandal that was laid upon the 4 nations as they had from some of these Messengers that were sent from these Castles with Col Schuyler did tell them that they had had an underhand dealing with the Government of Canada to make a separate peace with him and that the Governor of Canada wood continue the war upon this Government

Not in Wraxall.

 

28196 [0054]

48.

no date p. 618

Govt response: To the 4 Nations of Indians made by the Magistrates of Albany. We are sorry that the Messengers sent to stop your journey to Albany did not meet you before you came here and their intentions not to make any further war with the Government of Canada — their desire to [unsulbwick] the governor General as to what would be beneficial for their general good

Possibly Wraxall p. 33 – continuation of conference starting Aug 23 1699?

 

28197 [0055]

49

p. 619 20 Sept. 1699 Five Nations Maquase Oneydes Onondagas cayugas Sinnekes in Albany “Indian No Interpretation” – probably the Propositions to the River Indians answered the next day.

Not in Wraxall

p. 621 21 Sept. 1699 Meeting of the Govt appointed to manage the Indian Affairs Relative to the Propositions made by the Gov.t to the River Indians

Not in Wraxall

p. 623 21 Sept. 1699 The Sachims of the Onnondagas to the Gentlement appointed to manage Indian Affairs at Albany Stating that a Company of the Sinnekes had been out hunting near their Castle five of whom had been killed and scalped — Proposal to the Sachims of of [sic] the Onnondagas that it would be convenient to go to Canada to demand of the Govt the reason why the French came and destroyed the Indians in alliance with the French.

Not in Wraxall; Text in DRCHNY 4:597 et seq.; S of P adds nothing.

 

28198 [0056]

50.

1700 7 April Suiquans & Saquahan two sachems of Skachkook before D. Shuyler & John Beecker Recorder & Mayor of Albany

Requesting that powder may be given them to go hunting with p. 626

Not in Wraxall

26 August Conference between Bellomont and the 5 Nations p. 630

No proceedings entered

corresponds to Wraxall 33, confirms that initial speech of Bellomont was not recorded in the minutes. However the text of the speech is included in the record in DRCHNY 4:727 et seq.

27 August p. 631

Second days Conference Sachims of the Five Nations vizt Maquase Oneidas Onondagas Cayugas Sinnekes

Reply to the Proposals made to them yesterday

Wraxall p. 33.  Text in DRCHNY 4:728 et seq.; S of P adds nothing.

 

28199 [0057]

[51]

28 and 29 Augt. speeches p. 640, 641, 651

Wraxall p. 34 has summary. DRCHNY 4:731 et seq. has text. S of P adds nothing.

 

[0058] is a lighter copy of 28199

 

[0059] is a darker copy of [0060]

28200 [0060]

52

30 and 31 Augt. — pp. 665 & 662. Conference continues. Wraxall has clearer account on p. 35-38. S of P does not appear to add anything. See DRHCNY 4:727 et seq.

31 Augt 1700 p. 663 Wraxall does not include this entry which is the River Indians Proposal to the Earl of Belmont Captain General & Governor in Chief, but the S of P says only “too small and indistinct.” — see DRHCNY 4:743

 

28201 [0061] 53. [tabular heading]

p 666. Continues account of Aug. 31 1700 speeches between Five Nations and Bellomont; see Wraxall p 37-38; DRHCNY has text 4:739 et seq. Includes Henry’s speech about the land being returned.

Faithfully promising to be dutiful subjects to the Great King of England in reply to his reminding them to be firm to their Covenant Chain. Also [desiring] that our Brother Corlaer would write to the Great King of England that the limits between them and the French of Canada to prevent all Controversies so that each may know his boundary.

[no page recorded:] 9 Sept.r 1701 Maquase to the River Indians. Proposition by some of the Five Nations to the Commissioners of Indian Affairs. 3d of July last bringing word before the Earl of Bellemont relating to a Belt sent by the Govt of Canada praying the Indians of Cachapuaga and the Five Nations to disown the Government of Canada.

Possibly Wraxall p. 38, in which case date is 1700 not 1701.

Text may be in DRCHNY 4:745, not with the River Indians but on the same topic.

28202 [0062]

54 [same heading]

1701 14 [or 19] July p. 680 — Lt. Gov. Nanfan conference with 5 Nations. see Wraxall p. 38 for summary. See DRCHNY 4:896 et seq. for text. The 14th starts on p. 898 S of P adds nothing.

1701 19 July p. 686 — probably the same conference but this is the River Indians speech, not recorded by Wraxall or in DRCHNY:

Proposition of River Indians to the Hon.ble John Nanfen Esqr Lieut Gov.r Commander in Chief of New York. Expressing their satisfaction wt. his coming to succeed their Father and that esteem themselves happy that there is such a person pitched upon to be their father and governor who we hoe will take care of us.

see DRCHNY 4:902

 

28203 [0063] 55 see DRCHNY 4:904 et seq. continuation of the conference – S of P adds nothing.

 

28204 [0064] 56 see DRCHNY 4:907 et seq. (at least partly a literal transcription). continuation of the conference. – S of P adds nothing.

Wraxall p. 41 says there are no Records entered of Indian Affairs between this conference and Dec. 13 1704. In reality there are a few items, but scattered and out of order in the S of P.

 

28205 [0065] 57

1701 [1702?] 18 Jan.y p. 700

Shacbak [Schaghticoke?] Indians in City Hall of Albany. It is God pleasure that the Government has again [vouchsafed] a good hunting of venison & tho we are few and have not much to give our Brother to acknowledge the manifold favors we have received we beg you to accept of some venison as a Gift [Apparently Wraxall did not consider this a significant event.]

Appears to be the same speech as the one at the end of the book on pages 814-815, the pages stamped 28283-28284, images [0145] and [0146].

The S of P notes do not include the records in DRCHNY for 1702-1704, including journals of trips to Onnondaga, councils held there, and the council at Albany with Lord Cornbury and 2 Canada Maquase Sachims held July 9 1702 printed in DRCHNY 4:978 or one with the 5 nations July 1702?. This confirms Wraxall p. 42. For this period DRCHNY is the most complete record, supplemented by LIR. Perhaps because R Livingston was preoccupied? Or were records deliberately omitted? – Check DRCHNY again against 1702 records at end of AIC Book 1.

1704 13 Dec.r p. 701

Meeting of Commissioners for Managing the Indian Affairs. Relative to the arrival of a Sachim of Onnondaga in company with a Frenchman from the Government of Canada and further upon the desire of the said French for a Meeting of the Five Nations to be held in five and and that the Sachims now resolve to tarry until they hear if their Brother Corlaer to the said Meeting.

See Wraxall p. 42 for summary. S of P adds nothing.

 

28206 [0066] 58.

1704 17 Dec. p. 703

Meeting of Commissioners for the managing Indian Affairs Captain Abraham Schuyler Lawrence Glacer [Claessen] Interpreter

Acquainting the Commissioners that 2 of their Indians are come from Canada to within Six Miles of Schenectady who state they saw the Caguawaga holding Meetings with the French for their Journey with an army of French who set out from Canada

Wraxall p. 42 has more complete account.

1705

3 [?] Jan.y p. 704

Meeting of Commissioners for the Managing Indian Affairs

Scoagioyir a french Indian arrived from Canada informs that on consideration of the two Belts of Wampum by the Colonel Schuyler and the rest of the Government in August last sent to Canada whereby the Praying Indians then in the Castle of Cagnawaga were desired to come and settle in the Mohogs Country says that the said Indians have had several disputes with the Govt. of Canada they have resolved to come hither and stay here and that three of the Chiefs Sachems of the said Castle are now on their way & others have resolved to come in the Spring.

Wraxall p. 43 describes this a little differently with no date. S of P adds details.

AROUND THIS POINT THE S OF P BEGINS TO INCLUDE MORE DETAILED INFO AND BECOME A VALUABLE SUPPLEMENT TO WRAXALL AND OTHER SOURCES.

28257 [0118] [no handwritten number]

On this page of the notes, the date jumps from 1706 back to 1701. Stamped pages 28257-28283, Cornell images [0118-0145], which contain notes for pages 790-813 of Minute Book I, cover a conference held in July 1701 between Lieutenant Governor Nanfan and the Five Nations. It is printed in DRCHNY 4:896-906. The S of P notes add nothing and have not been transcribed, except for the first and last pages which also have additional material.

1706 [Dec.r]  p. 782

that will happen if our Indians are detained Prisoner and to dissuade our Brethren from being over credulous upon the Reports of the Indians and if the matter of fact is related to us us Indians we will come to endeavor to have the said Looks the Indian punished according to his merits

Not in Wraxall.

in Albany

Propositions begun & [illeg] 12 July 1701 [sic] 2.d Day’s Conference p. 790

12 July 1701

14 July 1701

Present

Col. P Schuler of his Majesty’s Council & Five Nations of Indians vizt the Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas and Sinnekes to the Honrble John Manpan [Nanfan] His Majesty’s Lieut Governor of the Province of New York & its dependencies

Onieriske assorum Speaker

Brother Corlaer, We are glad to see in this Station to command this Province we must own ourselves very happy under so gracious a King who was so prudent as to send our two Governors, the one to succeed the other we take it to be his great care and love to us we are sorry for the death of our late Governor the Earl of Belmont we hope his soul is in Heaven and on the other hand we are glad to see so good a man as your self succeeds

him


28283 [0145]

126

1701 21 July p. 813

Incroach upon us and destroy our People away from us, and we pray you to send us word when he is gone and when he returns for we expect him again in the Spring. Doe give 10 Bevers.

The Lt. Gov told them he would consider this proposition and would do anything that was proper for him to [do] for their ease satisfaction and future tranquillity.

1702 [?18] Jan.y p. 814

Schaghkook Indians

Present

J. Bleeker Mayor

J. Schuyler

John Abeel

J. Roosboom

W: Brook

H Hanse

Captain Jas Wemys

Brethren

It is God’s pleasure that we see one another agin who has vouchsafed to us a good hunting of venison and we are few, and have not much to give the Brethren yet acknowledge the many favours we receive do make you a present of some venison as a New-Years gift which we pray you to accept. We are ashamed that we have no deer Skins to give as well as the flesh, but it is your fault as well as ours for

 

28284 [0146]

127

1702 18 Jany

the Christians have strong Drink every where to sell out of Town, and our people who are great lovers of it spends their skins in good Liquor and so have none to give you but this skin

Since it cannot be hindered the selling of drink we desire when our People get drunk that they be not shut out of doors in this cold weather — for we are one heart, and if they be unmercifully shutt out of doors in the frost it may kill them, therefore where they gott their drink Let them sleep out till they are sober.

p. 815

The Gentle[men] answere[d]

That they

thankd

Brethren

their re

[S of P page is torn off]

Wraxall  says on p. 42 that there are no records of Indian Affairs between July 21 1701 and Dec. 13 1704. It appears that there were a few but they may have been out of order.

 

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