Schedule of propositions made by the Indians and answers given to them
(Library and Archives Canada RG 10, A.3.a, VOLUME 1839)
Part 1: Notes for Minute Book I: Dec. 20, 1677 to Dec. 17 1704
transcription and notes by Ann Hunter 2015-2016
All material not in the public domain is copyright © Ann Hunter.
Material in brackets is my best guess for unclear text and clarifications of the text.
Material in italics is notes, references, and comments.
Five digit number is stamped page number in original. Number in brackets is image number on Cornell website.
28149 [0006]
[faint writing illeg. 16F — dozen 9am 166 41 ???]
[18] January 1702
Schedule of Propositions of the Indians and answer thereto from Government Begun the 20th December 1677 ending 26th [September] 1679 [actually notes go through 1714]
Date
1677 |
Name of Tribes | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record Vol I Page | Answers from Government | Notes (AH) |
20 Dec. | Oneidas | Relative the delivery of young Magikander | 2
8 |
Delivery acknowledged | Richter 46-47. Probably BHD 26-161.
BHD 26-162 is answer. See DRCHNY 13:516 for related letter. |
[1678] 20 [March] | Oneidas | Related to the late fire at Schenectady, and running of the North Indians | 8 | Sympathies acknowledged |
Richter 76. |
[1678] 21 March | Sinnekes | Lament late war renew their former Covenant and promise made last year for their presents to be continued to them Thanks for their Presents. | 13 | Wraxall 8. | |
1678
22 March |
[Renewal?] of former Covenants | 18 |
|
Wraxall 8. | |
23 Sept | Onnondagas | In Indian
No Interpretation |
19 | Richter 48, 76; Wraxall 9. |
28150 [0007]
[2]
Date
1678 [1679] |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record Vol I Page | Answer from Government
|
Notes (AH) |
6 Feby | Onnondagas | Respecting the Onneydes not comporting themselves well | 25 | 1678/1679 | |
6 “ | Onnondagas | Indian No translation | 27 | Respecting keeping their [Covenant] inviolable | |
15 “ | Onnondagas | Give no credit to the bad tidings from Schenectady relative to the fight between some Onnondagas and the [Cannajese] | 30 |
|
Wraxall 9 |
17 “ | Oneydes | 33 | Respecting Reports raised in Schenectady concerning Covenant chain. | Wraxall 9 | |
1679
22 Jan.y |
Oneydes | Respecting Propositions by [Shomer] & Daniel [Eels] to release Christian Pr? | Wraxall 9 | ||
1679
Feby 17th |
Oneydes | Thanks for their Presents will release 3 Christian [Prisonrs] | Thanks for
will release |
Wraxall 9 |
28151 [0008]
3.
Date
1679 |
Name Tribe | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record Vol I
Page |
Answer from Government | Notes (AH) |
28 Feby | Onnongagues | 36 | Relating to the Report that the Maquas Castle could be destroyed. | Not in Wraxall? | |
25 April | Oneydes | 41 | Relative to Chief Siveqipe sending [owan Adofse] to enquire about Messenger sent to Virginia & Maryland | Not in Wraxall? | |
24 May | Oneydes & Sakuwncers | Relative to the troubles between the Six Nations and the [Christians] | 44 | Colden 1:27-28?; Wraxall 9? | |
26 “ | Oneydes | 47 | Relative to their bringing the rest of the Prisoner[s] | Colden 1:27?; Wraxall 9 | |
26 “ | Oneydes | Let Corlaer take [care] that he deliver up the Squaw who is missing | 48 | Not in Wraxall. | |
16 June | Mahikanders of the River [Wilde?] | Inviting their Grand Governor to visit them Reply to the refusal of their Grand Governor | 51 | Not in Wraxall. | |
8 July
it two if a woman & 2 children Presents 3 Christian Prisoners |
Mahikanders of the River [Wilde?] | In Indian
No Interpretation |
53 | Not in Wraxall; Richter 61? |
28152 [0009]
4.
Date
1679 |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record
Vol I Page |
Notes (AH) | |
19 July | No name | Indian
No Interpretation |
55 | ||
21 “ | Magnase
Sakannokes [?] and the Government General Court of the City of Albany |
Indian
No Interpretation |
56 | Wraxall 9?
Richter 56? |
|
no date given | The Government General and Antwortt
Maquase Indian |
Indian
No Interpretation |
59 | ||
11 Sept | Meeting of Oneydes Col. [Wm.] Kendall & Colonel Littleton authorized by Governor in Connect and Burgesses held in City Court House Albany | Complain of their houses being taken and entered their Goods and people destroyed and some of their women and children taken captives into your Castles contrary to and in breach of the Terms of Peace made with Colonel [Coursey?] | 101 | Not in Wraxall. |
28153 [0010] 5.
Date 1679 | Name of Tribe or [people do Govt] | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record vol 1 | Answer from Government | Notes (AH) |
no date given | [Van Cornell
Wm Kendall & Cornel & other band of [Virginians] In Indian no translation |
Page
103 |
Not in Wraxall. | ||
16 Sept. | Agent of Virginia
Band & Maquas also the Sinnekis |
104 | Not in Wraxall. | ||
26 Septr | Maquase and woord [van] Cornell Wm. Kendall
[illeg.] band of Virginians |
105 | See LIR 48 | ||
25 Sept.r | Virginia Indians by Wm. Kendall
Maquase |
Relative to the Mischief done by some of their neighboring Tribes are satisfied that the Government were not concerned in it | 107 | Not in Wraxall. | |
26 Sept.r | Maquase Col. [?] Wm. Kendall at Gov.nt Council Burgesses of Virginia | Expressing their thanks that the Mischief done by their neighbours is pardoned and buried in oblivion | 118 | Not in Wraxall. |
28154 [0011]
6.
Date
1679 |
Name of Tribe or the Government | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record Vol 1
Page |
Answers from Government | Notes (AH) |
30 Oct.r | Col. Wm. Kendes &
Gov.r & Councillor Burgesses of Virginia |
Complaint of some of the Gov.t people having destroyed & taken away their goods and People & Children Captive into Castles | 120 | Not in Wraxall; LIR 52-61 covers this conference. | |
31 July | Maquaghas [?]
Oneydos Ononondagas Cagugas |
Indian no
translation |
125 | ||
Dec.r [exact?] date not given | No name given | Indian no translation | 127 | Van Laer Ct Minutes 3:265 July 1 1682 Md Propositions to the Commissaries & their Answers re Indian war parties. p. 271 July 13, 1682 deliberation on these proposals. p. 274 July 24 see also 307.
1682 session re Philip Schuyler conflict w/ Indian; Indians present in court. |
|
D.o | No name of Tribe | Indian no translation | DRCHNY 3:321 =text of conference with 5 Nations, Va & Md 3-13 August 1682 | ||
1684
31 July |
De maquase
van Cortlant |
Indian
no translation |
135 | Wraxall jumps from July 21 1679 to July 31 1684 on p. 10.
Richter 57-59, 64 |
|
no date | no name | Indian
No translation |
137 |
Van Laer Court Minutes 1680-1685 Vol. 3 has additional entries for 1680s. In particular see:
- 362 re murder and related pages. June 6 1683 Propositions and Answers by Maqua Sachems & Commander & Commissaries in the Court House. They refer to “the ancient covenant made between us in the presence of Major Pynshon” bound not with bark but with a chain of precious metal.
- 367 July 2 1683 Jonathan Bul of Hartford asks for 2 Indian servants who ran away. He can’t take them by force “because all Indians here are free” . The Indians at Skachkook agree with him to give him 30 beavers for the two Indians.
LIR 61- also has entries for 1680s about negotiations with MD by the Esopus, Mohicans, Catskills, etc., and other topics.
DRCHNY 13 has a few entries from 1780s relating to negotiations with the Minisinks (p. 551), relations with Maryland, (p. 555 et seq.)]
DRCHNY 3:321 has August 1682 Conference between 5 Nations and MD.
DRCHNY 3:347 has abstract of Proposals of Onondaga & Cayuga proposals Aug. 2 1684.
DRCHNY 3:417 has full Proposals Aug 2 1684. These proposals include the Susquehanna protection clause.
Colden 1:34 has text of July 13 1684 meeting, which included a ceremonial burying of actual axes, and Aug. 2 speech 1:46.
29155[?] [0012]
7.
Date
1684 |
Name of
Tribe or the Government |
Subject of
Propositions |
Indian Record
Vol 1 Page |
Answers from
Government |
Notes (AH)
DATES ARE CONFUSED |
no date | The Oneydes to the Govt. Genl | Indian
no translation |
138 | ||
no date | no name | Indian
no translation |
142 | Wraxall 10-11 may cover most of these entries? | |
no date | no name | Indian
no translation |
143 | ||
9 Augt. Augt. | no name | Indian
no translation |
144 | ||
[14?] Augt. | no name | Indian
no translation |
147 | ||
no date | The Tribe of Onnondagas | Indian
no translation |
149 | ||
2 Aigst [Augst?] | Onnondagaes | Indian
no translation |
151 | Wraxall translated Aug. 2 1684 entry from “Low Dutch” see p. 11. RL had already “translated, compared, and revised” it. See DRCHNY 3:417. See also Richter 64-66; | |
1684
5 ” August |
no name | Indian
no translation |
155 | ||
” “ | ” “ | Indian
no translation |
158 | ||
[1685] 15 Feb.y | ” “ | Indian
no translation |
163 |
28156 [0013]
8.
Date 168[?] | Name of Tribe or the Government | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record
vol 1 Page
|
Answers from Government | Notes (AH) |
8 Septr | Squadinng gebonden in Albany | Indian
No translation given |
168 | ||
no date | No name given | Indian
No translation given |
169 | ||
no date | no name | Indian
No translation given |
172 | ||
7 Octr | no name | Indian
No translation given |
175 | ||
no date | no name | Indian
No translation given |
176 | ||
no date | no name | Indian
No translation |
177 | ||
no date | no name | Indian
No translation |
178 | ||
no date | no name | Indian
No translation |
179 | ||
168[?]
13 Nov.r |
no name | Indian
No translation |
180 |
28157 [0014]
9.
Entries for [1689 or 1684]: Nov. 17, Dec. 2, three with no date, Dec. 8, Dec. 11, no date, Dec. 11, Dec. 26, and Jan. 5. All say no date / no name / Indian no Interpretation. pages run 183-204.
23159 [0016]
11.
Date
1684 |
Name of Tribe or Government | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record
Vol. 1 Page |
Answers from Government | Notes (AH)
The original minutes may be out of order here chronologically? |
27 Jan.y | no name | Indian
No Interpretation |
213 | ||
30 July | Right Honble
Francis Lord Howard Gov.r Gen.l of His Majestys Dominion of Virginia to the Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas and [Cayugas?] Indians |
Propose to have two hatchets to be buried as a final determination of all wars between us | 214 | LIR 71 | |
31 July | Maquas Oneydes Onnondagas & Cayugas Answer to the Propositions made by Rt. Honble Francis Lord Howard Baron of Effingham | Stating that they did not join or participate in the evil done in Virginia | 219 | Richter 58-59, 64 | |
no date | The 4 Nations to Lord Howard | Expressing their joy that the Govt have been persuaded to forgive all their former faults | 220 | ||
no date | the Maquas | Thanks to his Lordship Lord Howard that the axe and Hatchet is taken out of all hands | 223 |
28160 [0017]
12.
Date 1684 | Name of Tribe | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record
vol 1 Page |
Answer from Government | Notes (AH) |
no date | Three nations thro Speakr Thasioghjaistha and Onnondago | Thanking the Gov.t of Virginia for forgiving and forgetting the evils thay had done | 225 | ||
no date | 4 Nations Lord Baltimore & his Indians
Onneidas Onnondagas Cayugas |
Thanks to the Gov.r of Virginia for his moderation in their behalf | 226 | ||
5 August | Sonnekas answer to the Propositions made to them by Lord Howard Baron of Effingham Gov.r Genl of Virginia | Expressing their joy that all ill will is buried with the axe and that both are sunk in the pitt of oblivion | 227 | Wraxall 13 | |
30 July | Van Cortland authorized by the Govt of Massachusetts to the Maquase Sachims | Indian
no Interpretation |
231 | Richter 56-57 | |
2 Augt | Onnondagas & Cayuga Sachims
before Lord Effingham Gov of Virginia Col Dongan Govr of New York |
Praying for protection against the French People | 237 | Wraxall translated Aug. 2 1684 entry from “Low Dutch” see p. 11. RL had already “translated, compared, and revised” it. See DRCHNY 3:417. See also Richter 64-66; |
28161 [0018]
13
Date
1684 |
Name of Tribe or the Government | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record
vol.1 Page |
Answer from Government | Notes (AH) |
31 July | Maquas Sachems to Stephanus Cortland [agt]
[for Massachusetts?] |
Thanking the Brethren of Boston for the proposals made to them three [?s] ago & for the presents given yesterday | 237 | Page numbers or dates are confused? | |
31 July | The Maquas Sachems | Answers to proposals made by the Honble Col. Dongan | 240 | Richter 64,
See Wraxall 10-11 re July 31 1684 mtg and unsigned deed for land on both sides of the Mohawk. also DRCHNY 3:417 & Early Records of Albany 2:229 (copy of deed?) |
|
9 August | The Maquas Sachems to
Rt. Honble Col. Tho. Dongan Gov.r of N. York |
Declining to be annexed to the Gov.t of Canada | 250 | Wraxall 10-11 | |
15 Septr. | The Maquase
Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes Hon.ble Col Byrd
|
Relative to three Boys which are in their country | 253 | Not in Wraxall; Richter 59-60? | |
15 Septr | Maquase
Onnondagas Cayouges Sinnekes |
Answer to the Proposition to Captain John Pomunky | 258 | Not in Wraxall; Richter 59-60? |
28162 [0019] 14
Date
1685 |
Name of Tribe or the Government | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record
Vol 1 Page |
Answer from Government | Notes (AH) |
15 Septr | Maquases
Oneydes Onondagas |
Answers to propositions made by Rt. Honble Col Tho. Dongan Gov.r Genl. Relative to their disobediance in not making Peace with the French | 261 | Not in Wraxall; Richter 59-60 | |
” “ | Captain Jno
[Pestealins] [Popettesonimin] King of Sommatky Indians & Sachims |
Request that they may be protected in their Hunting Grounds and Mountains | 264 | Not in Wraxall; Richter 59-60 | |
5 August | Sinnekes
Cayugas Onnondagas Onneydes Maquase Proposition of His Excelly Captain Genl Dongan of New York |
Relative to the War made by the French on the Indians
Messenger sent to His Majesty King of England and recommends one being sent on behalf of the Five Nations to the Christian Indians of Canada to persuade to come home to yr native country and to promise them all protection |
267 | Not in Wraxall?
1686? |
23163 [0020]
15.
Date 1687 | Name of Tribe or the Government | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record vol 1
Page |
Answers from Government | Notes (AH) | |
3 Sept | Onydes Sachem of to Mayor & Aldermen of Albany | Delivery of the six prisoners taken captive by this Band | 276 | |||
1684
3 May |
no name | Indian
no interpretation |
278 | Dates Confused | ||
1685
3 Nov |
no name | Indian
no interpretation |
280 | |||
no date | no name | Indian
no interpretation |
281 | |||
D.o d.o | no name | Indian
no interpretation |
282 | |||
no date | no name | Indian
no interpretation |
283 | |||
14 Nov. | no name | Indian
no interpretation |
284 | |||
19 “ | no name | Indian
no interpretation |
286 | |||
23 “ | no name | Indian
no interpretation |
289 |
28164 [0021]
16.
“No name, Indian no interpretation” for the following dates and pages:
1685
1st Dec. 296
30 Dec. 304
5 January 305
2 Dec. 313
no date 315
1686
1 April 318
23 April 319
6 May 321
29 May 322
31 July [Sakasoodes?] Band Indian no interpretation 325 Richter 76?
7 Augt Indians of Shackwook Indian no interpretation 329
28165 [0022]
17.
All entries say “Indian no interpretation”. The following meetings are listed:
1686
22 August Lumbeg p. 330
1687
March 31 Sannondowanes? p. 331 Richter 78? (also entry for Septr 24 1686)
no date Tahaidoris
Smahannaker p. 334 DRCHNY 3:483? Sept. 9 1687
27 [Jan.y?] Cayouges
Takasmakeor &
Magistrates
of Albany p. 337 Richter 68?
20 [June?] [Tannondagas] p. 339
9 [July?] Shacboob Indians p. 341 LIR 130?
Dongan Conference with the Five Nations Aug 1687 see DRCHNY 3:438 et seq.
9 Jany [1688? [Maquase] Sachims &
Magistrates
of Albany p. 342
21 Feb.y Sachim Maquase to ye
[1689] Commands & Magistrates
of Albany p. 343 Wraxall 14?; Richter 61-62. 79
28166 [0023]
18.
Date
1689 |
Name Tribe or Government | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record vol 1
Page |
Answer from Government | Notes (AH) |
[8 March?] | Shackboch Indians 6th June | are glad that the selling of Liquor is prohibited | 344 | ||
1st May | Shackbock Indians | Assurance of their inclination and affection towards you as much as ever | 345 | ||
1689
17 Jan.y [June] |
Maquase
Sakamackers Canedgunlust Tonaquiunise Ognodagon
|
Indian
no interpretation |
346 | Richter 80 | |
18 Jan.y [June] | no name | Indian
no interpretation |
348 | Richter 80 | |
27 Jan.y [June] | Sakamakers
The Sinnekes Cayouges Onnondages Oneidas Mayor Aldermen & Commonalty of Albany |
Indian no interpretation | 351 | Richter 48-49, 81 | |
28 June | Sinnekes
Cayouges Onondagas Oneydas Mayor Aldermen & Commonalty Commander & Military officers of City of Albany |
Indian
no interpretation |
356 |
28167 [0024] 19
Date 1689 | Name of Tribe or Government | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record vol. 1 Page | Answer from Government | Notes (AH)-chaos b/c of Leisler during this period. |
20 Aug.t | Shachkook Indians to the Mayor & Aldermen of Albany | Relative to Covenant with the Indians from the Eastward not to do harm to their [farpest?] | 359 | Richter 81-83; Aug. 10 1689 entry in City Records (Munsell Annals 2: describes rumor brought by Schaghts. | |
29 Augt. | Antwordt to Shachkookse | Indian
no interpretation |
360 | Richter 83 | |
“” | Magistrates of Albany & Onnondagas | Indian no interpretation | 362 | Richter 83 Probably the speech printed in Munsell Annals 2:112 | |
3 Sept. | Govt. at Albany | In relation to the fight between the Tinndhees and the Western Indians and the French | 363 | See Munsell Annals 2:112-128 re Indian Affairs & the war. | |
16 [Dec.?] | River Indians to Col John Pynchen Major
[illeg.] Captain A. Beecker Captain J Bull against Lt. Collings of Massachusetts Plymouth & Connecticut |
Thanks for the Ammunition given to them | 364 | LIR 150 et seq? See Munsell Annals 2:153 for Maquase support for C of A in face of Leisler. See 2:159 et seq. for Mohawk message via Akus & 5 Nations message via Jacques Cornellisen; also Richter 83-84 |
28168 [0025] 20.
Date 1689 [/90?] | Name of Tribe or Government | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record vol. 1 Page | Answers from Government |
29 Feby | 5 Nations of Indians Maquase Onydes Onondagas Cayougas to the | Returning their thanks for the remoration of their Covenant Chain | 365 |
[Subsequent entries all say “No name / Indian no Interpretation” for the following dates and pages:]
1689 25 February p. 370
1689 27 ? p. 380
1689/1690
1690 4 Jan.y p. 381 Richter 84?
1690 7 Jan.y p. 382
1690 6 Jany p. 384 Richter 69?
no date p. 386
1690 3 Feb.y p. 388
no date p. 389
Notes: See Munsell Annals 2:162- 166; During this period, the “Convention” of Albany was functioning as a body to handle Indian Affairs and maintaining ties with the Haudenosaunee, Mahikanders and other nations. Members of the Convention included Pieter Schuyler; Jacques (Akus) Cornelisen continued to work as a translator. Schuyler, Livingston et al refused to join Leisler, using the argument that to do so would disrupt Indian Affairs and bring about Indian hostilities.
Munsell Annals 2:177 et seq. includes more records of negotiations with the 5 Nations and events leading up to the French attack on Schenectady, a period in which Dutch, Mahikanders, and 5 nations were working together diplomatically and militarily.
See also DHNY 1:302-306 re burning of Schenectady.
Munsell Annals 2:184 describes how the Anglo-Dutch encouraged the Maquas and River Indians to move closer to Dutch and English settlements at Schenectady and Catskill.
28169 [0026]
21. Note gaps in dates and pages.
no date /Sakamakes / Indian No Interpretation p. 390
entries with no date / no name / Indian no interpretation for pages 392, 394, 396
16 Feb.y 1689 [1690] Sedquanachids & Gamakes / Indian / n.i. p. 400
25 Feb. [1690] Sachims of the 3 Maquases Express their regret for the murders committed by the French on their Brethren of Schenitady and lament their death and condole with at Schenectaday The Governor of Canada comes to our Country & speaks of Peace at onnondage but war is in his heart. p. 402
See Munsell Annals 2:186-191 for this condolence speech and the C of A answer, including the phrase quoted. This treaty was printed and sold see NYHS Coll. 1869 p 165 et seq.
27 February 1690 The Maquaase Sachims Relative to the War p. 405
See Munsell Annals 2: 213 et seq. and 2:234 et seq. for continuing joint military efforts with Jannetie aka Lawrence the Indian playing a leading role. R Livingston is in hot water at this point and Akus testifies against him. 2:216. Also see LIR 158 et seq.
NOTE GAP: Wraxall says on p. 13 that between Governor Dongan’s Speech to the 5 Nations August 5 1687 and June 2 1691 “I cannot fine any Govrs Speech or meeting with the Indians Recorded. the intermediate Space of Time in the records is filled up with Transactions between the Magistrates of Albany & the Indians; in some parts They are entituled the Convention of Albany.”
1698 [1691]
2 June Oneydes Onnondagas & Sinnekes to
Capt. ” of the Province of ?
Relative to their many troubles by the late Userpation
So many things are
so strange [illeg.] on p. 408
Richter 49, Wraxall 16, DRCHNY 3:774-777; S of P adds nothing.
28170 [0027]
22
Date
1698 [1691] |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record
vol I Page |
Answer from Government | Notes (AH) |
no date | Brother Corlaer | Relative to the many troubles of late by the late usurpation and [professing] their [?] that all things will soon be better | 409 | Richter 49, Wraxall 16, DRCHNY 3:774-777; S of P adds nothing. | |
3 Jan.y | no name | Relative to the examination of Capt. Shuyler & Captain Paling being examined about the [townganlisent Tollisus] relative to the Christian Prisoners in the late war. | Not in Wraxall? | ||
3 June | Shackkook Indians | Relative to the planting of the tree meaning the protection of their land. | 416 | Richter 85 | |
4 June | Maquaes
Sachems to His Excellency Col. [Douglas??] Gov.r Gen.l in Chief |
Have [come] to inform the [Jus.t of its indens] as to what happened to their Indians | 418 | Wraxall 16 |
23471 [0028]
23
Date
1698 [1691] |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record
Vol 1 Page |
Answers from Government | Notes (AH) |
8 Jan.y [June?] | answer of His Excellency The Gov. Gen.l to the Maquaes Oneidas Onnondagas Cayugas Sinnekes & Shackkook Indians | Relative to the Gov.r Genl’s propositions to the Five Nations regard to French and the Treaty made with them. | 420 | Wraxall 17 | |
1691
5 June |
5 Nations
[Westwardous] Maquases Oneydes Onnondages Cayugas & Sinnekes & the Captn. Genral in Chief of the Province of New York |
Relative to the proposals for their going out against the French being very acceptable | 424 | Wraxall 17 | |
1691
5th Jan.y |
Gov.r Genral to certain Indians | ordering a Company to be raised for an expedition to Canada. | 425 |
28172 [0029]
24
Date
1691 |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record Vol 1 Page | Answer from Government | Notes (AH) |
5 Augt | Tosaqua the Captain of 41 Maquase now bound for Canada | Expressing that they have come this [illeg.] upon the expedition to Canada | 426 | ||
11 Augt | Maquase Indians | Relative to their expedition to Canada | 427 | Richter 85; See LIR 162 et seq. | |
19 Oct.r | Carachkondie and Sadequanachtie 2 chiefs Sachems of Onondagas accompanied with some of the Sachims of Oneydes & Cayugas to the Mayor & Aldermen of Albany | Condoling with Brethren to condole upon the death of their people lost at the late engagement in Canada and requesting to be supplied with Powder and ammunition | 428 | ||
21 Octr | Govt. to the Chiefs and Sachems of the Oneydes Cayugas and Onnondagas | 429 | Thanks for their condol[ences] in the loss of their Peopls killed in the War in Canada. |
UP TO THIS POINT (late 1992, p. 429 of Volume I of the AIC Minutes) THE S OF P IS TOO CONFUSED TO BE MUCH USE.
However, it does reveal that it was kept mostly in Dutch except for proposals from the governor and other colonies, which were entered in English. It also gives us a rough index of what was entered in English, which can be correlated to some degree with the copies in other sources.
Beginning in 1692, it becomes more coherent, and starting in June 1692 following Ingoldsby’s conference, it adds new details and entries.
28173 [0030]
25
Date
1692 |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record Vol 1 Page | Answers from Government | Notes (AH) |
6 June | Rich.d Ingoldsby Commander in Chief of their Majesties of the Province of New York to the Sachims of the Five Nations of [illeg] Maquase Onydes Onnondagas Cayugas and Sinnekes | 431 | Has come to manifest the good affection he has for their Brethren to view the position of the Place: so as to take effectual care to secure it from the designs of the Enemy who had ordered larger Forces there | Text in DRCHNY 3:840 et seq. S of P adds nothing, but is becoming more detailed and dates are more consistent.
Summary in Wraxall 17 et seq. |
|
6 June | 5 nations name of Tribes not given | That they have taken notice of what has been said to by Hon.ble [Richard] Ingoldsby Commander in Chief of Province of New York | 437 | Text in DRCHNY 3:842 et seq.; S of P adds nothing. |
28174 [0031]
26.
Date
1692 |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record
Vol 1 Page |
Answer from Government
|
Notes (AH) |
[6] June | Maquase | Have heard the proposals made to them which are very acceptable | 452 | Text in DRCHNY 3:842 et seq.; S of P adds nothing. | |
6 June | Five Nations Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekas to Richard Ingoldsby Commander in Chief of Their Majesties Province of N. York | Thanking Corlaer for his Presence at this place to view the strength thereof and likewise for the Forces he brought along with him and for his resolution to garrison Half Moon and Canastagioene when the Forces comes as he did to Schenectady and complaining and asking to know the reasons why Maryland Delaware and N. England Indians are to be disengaged from this war since you have told us that they are our Brethren and subjects. | 454 | Text in DRCHNY 3:842 et seq.; S of P adds nothing.; Wraxall 18 – dates in S of P have become more accurate. |
28175 [0032]
27.
Date
1692 |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Propositions | Indian Record Vol 1 Page | Answer from Government | Notes (AH) |
13 June | River Indians to Major Ingoldsby Commander in Chief | Expressing their gladness that live under the light of corlaer their Father and the whole of the Christians who are a great people | 457 | Not included in DRCHNY or Wraxall accounts of June Conference. | |
22 Octr | River Indians to the Maquase of Albany | Relative to their Indians diminishing by going a hunting | 459 | Not in Wraxall. | |
26 Dec.r | 2 Sachems of Onnondagas called Deganotwa & Degagoonde to Major R. Ingoldsby Gov.r of all and Commandr in Chief | acquainting the Govr of their design of going to Canada to meet the French | 460 | Not in Wraxall. | |
1693
25 Feby |
5 Nations to His B Fletcher Captain General | Relative to being called upon in regard to the French in Canada their Enemy | 463 | Summary in Wraxall 18;
Text in DRCHNY 4:22; S of P adds nothing. |
|
26 Feby | Sachims of the Five Nations | Relative to their return from the French War in Canada | 464 | Text in DRCHNY p. 24; S of P adds nothing. |
28176 [0033]
28.
Date
1693 |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record vol 1 Page | Answers from Government | Notes (AH) |
31 May | Sinnekes Soldiers from the farthermost Nation in Fort Albany | come after their Old Custom to condole in the Blood that is shed by the French and the Indians | 465 | Not in Wraxall. | |
3 July | His Excelly B. Fletcher Captn Genl Governor in Chief of New York, Pennsylvania to the 5 Nations of Indians Maquase Oneydes Onnondages Cayougas & Sinnekes | His disappointment at receiving Commands from the Great King & Queen of England who were graciously pleased at their sending their Royal Mandate requesting me on its receipt to repair into Pennsylvania and take that Province into their Majestie’s immediate Care and [illeg.] | 466 |
|
Summary Wraxall 18; DRCHNY has text 4:37, 38
This speech starts p 40. S of P adds nothing.
|
4 July | Five Nations or Cantons of Indians the Maquase Oneydes Onondagas Sinnekes to Captain Genl Fletcher Captn Genl & Governor in Chief of New York | Relative to the Bloody War in which they are involved | 469 | Captn General & Commander in Chief states that we are much rejoiced that the King and Queen of England do take note of us so as to extend their [illeg.] by making so considerable a [illeg.]
|
Wraxall p. 19 Text in DRCHNY p. 4:43 S of P adds nothing. |
28177 [0034]
29.
Date
1693 |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Proposition | Indian Record Vol 1 | Answers from Government | Notes (AH) |
6 July | Benj. Fletcher Captn Genl & Govr in Chief to River Indians | Relative to their withdrawing all their Forces out of their Castles to hunt and [illeg] leaving their [illeg] unprotected & exposed to the accidents and hardships which attend a country embarked with a watchful Enemy as this is | 474 | DRCHNY 4:41; S of P adds nothing. | |
5 July | His Exy the Capt Genl sent for the Sachims of the Five Nations | It is high time for you now to go home to your Castles that they may be secured from all attempts of the enemy to govern New York | 477 | DRCHNY 4:44; S of P adds nothing. | |
no date | Five Nations reply to Brother Cayenquiragoe | They forgot the article concerning the horses but will take care that whoever kills any horses or Cattle belonging to Christians shall make satisfaction | 478 | DRCHNY 4:44; S of P adds nothing. |
28178 [0035]
34.
Date
1693 |
Name of Tribe | Subject of Proposal | Indian Record Vol I Page | Answer from Government | Notes (AH) |
Five Nations to Brother [Cayuquiage] | Proposal to make Peace with the Dionnandades a nation of Indians who are in alliance with the French of Canada which will strengthen them & weaken the Enemy.
His Excy [illeg.] approved of their proposals to make Peace. |
479 | DRCHNY 4:45; S of P adds nothing. | ||
[1694]
2 Feby |
Sachims of 5 Nations | Sachims of 5 Nations of Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes Relative to the French from Canada having sent a belt back to express their thanks | 480 | Text in DRCHNY 4:85; Wraxall summary p. 20; S of P adds nothing | |
[1694] 8 Feby [6 in Wraxall & DRCHNY] | Majr P. Schuyler answer to the Five Nations | States that he is not satisfied with their dubious answer made to the proposal of His [Excy The Commander] the Governor General | 488 | Text in DRCHNY 4:90; Wraxall summary p. 21-22; S of P adds nothing. |
28179 [0036]
3[?] [heading same]
1693 [1694]
7 Feby |
Sachems of the Five Nations | Respecting the impossibility of keeping them from making Peace with the French | 489 | Text in DRCHNY 4:90 et seq; S of P adds nothing. | |
1694
3 May |
Sachems of Five Nations Maquase Oneydes Onondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes
His Excy John Fletcher Captn Genl & Governor in Chief of the Province of Pennsylvania |
agreed upon by all the tribes that should not keep up any correspondence with the French in Canada | 492 | Wraxall 22 | |
5 May | His Ency the Govr Genl. to the Five Nations | 497 | The Govt cannot proceed to answer their proposals until they are satisfied on three heads with the lack the Govt. has always treated you is wrongfully accused. | Wraxall summary 23; S of P adds nothing. |
28480 [0037]
32 [same heading]
1694
6 May |
Five Nations to Brother Cayenquarege | We acknowledge to have stated in our Proposals that in all circumstances you never opposed our Gov.t but cautioned us not to listen to the language of the French to keep up meetings in the occasion | 498 | Wraxall summary 23-24; S of P adds nothing. | |
15 August | Sachims of Five Nations of the Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes to His Excy B. Fletcher Captain General & Governor in Chief of New Yorke | Relative to the Messages delivered to the Five Nations together to consult about [mutualy?] for their public Good | 502 | Wraxall summary 25; S of P adds nothing. |
28181 [0038]
33. [same heading]
1694
16 Augt. |
His Excellcy
B. Fletcher Col Cortland Col Bayard Col Smith Col Brooks Col Schuyler (Comml of New York)
Col. J. Pynchon Major [illeg] Major Townsend (Comm.rs for Massachusetts)
col J Allyn Captn [Harley] (Commisrs for Connecticut)
|
Respecting the Govt. of Canada sending for them | 508 | Wraxall summary p. 26; S of P adds names of those present. | |
17 Augt | The Sachims & Sackamakers
of the Onnondagas |
Warning parties against giving the Indians strong drink making them drunk and distracted | 513 | Wraxall summary 26 doesn’t include this point. | |
[illeg] Aug.t | The River Indians to His Excellency the Captain Genl in Albany | In times of old the River Indians were a living Nation but are now much dimmed by the War carried on by the Crown. | 516 | not in Wraxall | |
28182 [0039]
34 [same heading]
1694
20 Augt |
His Exy B. Fletcher
Col A Hamilton Gov.r of Jersey Col Cortlandt Col N. Bayard Col. Wm Smith Childe Barole [Chidley Brooks?] Esq. (Commrs. of the Province of New York
Col. J. Pyncher Saml Lamb Esq Major Genl Townsend Col Jos Alleyn Captain Calder Gravely The Sachims of the Five Nations |
Whether the Indians had made a firm Peace | 577 | Wraxall summary p. 27; S of P adds names of those present. | |
23 August | His Exy B. Fletcher Captn Genl to the River Indians
and I charge |
Relative to the death of one their Nation accidentally. Having heard a good character and that you had behaved well & like obedient children and good subjects to your Great King of [sic] Queen of England | 527 | Not in Wraxall | |
28183 [0040]
35. [same heading]
1695
6 Feb.y |
Five Nations | On hearing the Report that an army of the French had been at the Lake Champlain on their way to Albany, for which we came down without anything but our arms | 529 | referred to DRCHNY 4:118
Not in Wraxall. |
|
6 July | Five Nations | Should the French our enemy make any attempts the Five Nations are to protect all they can, and sent notice to the Govt thereof with all speed. | Not in Wraxall. | ||
3 July | The Shackkooks Indians
Major Schuyler J. Stubbs J. Bleeker Janlanwigs Albert Rykman |
Renew the old Covenant chain at the beginning we had a Covenant to hold fast by the hand, it is now fastened with an Iron Chain which we hope will never rust. | 532 | Not in Wraxall. |
28184 [0041] 36. [same headings]
1695
28 Augt. |
10 of the Principal Sachims of Mohoggs Country | Bringing a token from the Five Nations whereby we acquaint your Escy that it is certain that the Governor of Canada hath kindly [sic] his fire at Cadanadiqui again, and is busy repairing the Walls I speak from the [Lanitron] Captn of Ononnsdaga who desires the thirty soldiers which were promised to him formerly to lay in Garrison at Onnondaga. | 533 | Wraxall summary 27; S of P adds details.
LIR 172 et seq. is related. |
|
10 Sept. | His Excellency B. Fletcher Captn Genl & Governor in Chief to the Five Nations to wit the Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes | Is glad to welcome them here and are better satisfied to fine that a greater number are engaged in opposing the common Enemy the French and their Indians who are by all artifices of fraud and force endeavoring to gain upon us. | 536 | Wraxall 27-28 summarizes this conference. S of P words Fletcher’s address in a different tone.
|
28185 [0042]
37 [same heading]
1695
19 Septr |
Five nations viz The Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes to the Propositions made by His Excellency B. Fletcher Captn Genl & Governor in Chief | The Five Nations are come here to you, the alarm of the French our Enemy in our Country has been the occasion here is not a greater number to meet our Brother Cayonsuragod | 539 | Wraxall summary 27-28; S of P wording is different.
Wraxall: “no Indian Transactions recorded”between 9-18-95 and July 20, 1698” is confirmed by S of P making same jump. There are conferences in DRCHNY eg 4:175 et seq. Dirck Wessels, Godfriedius Dellius, & Pieter Schuyler are made Indian Commissioners Aug. 10 1696 . The notes during this period are not signed by RL and The NY Council recommends not paying him. As of May 1698, he again signs docs. See DRCHNY 4:204 |
|
[1698]
20 July |
Five Nations Maquases Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas & Sinnekes to His Excellency Richd [Coote?] Hon Bellomont Captain Gen.l Gov.r in Chief & The | Indian
no interpretation |
543 | His Excellency Lord Repulyd Thanking them heartily of the welcom he had had [illeg] the Indins.
|
Wraxall summary 28. S of P adds the info that the 5 Nations speech is recorded in Dutch. |
28186 [0043]
38 [same heading]
1695 [1698 Bellomont did not arrive in America until 1698.]
21 July |
Col P. Schuyler & Mayor
Dirk D. Gonlain Col. Romer to Indian Sachims of Canada in Albany |
546 | We are glad to see you here again and that you have not forgot the love you have for your native Country | Wraxall summary 28-29; S of P adds wording. | |
22 July | 5 Nations of Cantons van Indiand Westwards vizt Maquase Oneydes Onondagas Cayugas Sinnekes to His Excellency Richard Earl Bellamont Captain Genl Governor in Chief of His Majesty’s Province of New York | [note in pencil]
Ask the befr Sujet for pri … plass |
547 |
Wraxall summary 29; S of P adds nothing. |
23187 [0044]
39. [same heading]
1695 [8]
23 July |
Canada Indians | Returning His Excy Lord Bellemont thanks for the Presents furnished them. | 551 | summarized Wraxall 30 | |
25 July | no name | Indian No Interpretation | 552 | ||
27 July | Maquase Indians to His Excellency the Earl of Belomont | Praying that they may be granted a large Tract of land | 553 | Wraxall 30- Bellomont promises to vacate the Dellius grant; Wraxall’s version makes more sense.
Munsell Annals 2:30 et seq begin the discussion in the Albany City Council about the Dellius grant. |
|
25 July | Bas [Das] Shachkooks Indians to His Excellency the Earl of Bellemont | Indian
No Interpretation |
560 | Not in Wraxall | |
25 July | Five Nations to His Excellency the Earl of Bellomont in Albany | Indian
No Interpretation |
563 | Wraxall summary 30 |
28188 [0045]
44 [same heading]
1695 [1698]
15 July |
The Shachkooks to His Lordship Earl Bellemont | Too small to make out [in pencil] | 768 [568?] | not in Wraxall |
28 July | The Maquase sachems | Would have brought the French Proposals along with them but being told they were now free by virtue of the Treaty of Peace they delivered up and made exchange of Prisoner brought from Canada that the said 2 men may come along and delivered up by your cordial exchange | not in Wraxall | |
1 August | River Indians or Maliteandest | Too small to make out [in pencil] | 571 | not in Wraxall |
28183 [0046]
41.
1695 [1698 – Frontenac died Nov. 1698.]
26 Dec |
Mayor Aldermen and the Commanding Officer of the Albany Garrison | Relative to the message received from the Government of Canada with the news of the death of Governor Fromtrais and that one the old persons had gone to New York on his voyage to France communicating the same message there | 572 | Text in DRCHNY 4:491; Summary in Wraxall 30; S of P nothing. | |
27 Dec.r [1698] | Maquase indians of Ornikko the first Castle of the Maquase where the Praying Indians live | Stating that the people of Schenectady have of late found a way to rob them of their Indian Corn by bringing into their Castles and trading the same for [Corn] by means we are in danger of starching then[?] now that that they are so much [?]which | 573 | Summary in Wraxall 31
see Munsell Annals 3:19 where C of A orders people not to buy Indians Corn 12-15-1696 |
28190 [0047]
42 [same heading]
1696 [8/9]
6 Feb.y |
Soquans the Sachem of the Mahikander or River Indians
Robt. Livingston in Albany |
Two Indians have arrived from canada who inform me that the French and their indians are on your Lakes and forests hunting State an old man called Iatahangrarodidse having got drunk at Johanna Prats he was beaten and is quite lame. | 574 | Not in Wraxall. | |
3 Feby [1699 per Wraxall.] | Sachims the Onnondages Schanissons
Carondawini |
A certain Indian of their Castle called Tohonssowadinne applied to Corlaer and who told him it was bad for him to go to see his Father which was debated among the Sachims who were of opinion that we should send a Wampum [?] Sachems saying why should we send a Wampum to the French | Text in DRCHNY 4:492 et seq.; Summary in Wraxall p. 31-32. S of P adds nothing. |
28191 [48]
43 [same heading]
1696 [9]
3 Feby |
Sakemker
Onnondagas Aptiendat |
Indian
No Interpretation |
532 | Dutch version of same conference? | |
5 Feby [1699 per Wraxall] | Onnondagas | Convened together to hinder the 5 Nations from making further negotiations with the French | 584 | Text in DRCHNY 4:494; S of P adds nothing; Summary Wraxall p. 31-32. | |
6 Feby | The Govt at Albany | Relative to the Request of Captain J. Schuyler relative to the 6 Frenchmen lately come from Canada and that the Sachems should be examined about those false and scandalous depositions | 585 | Text in DRCHNY 4:495; S of P adds nothing; Possibly Wraxall p. 31-32. | |
10 Feby | The Mayor and Aldermen | Robert Livinst having been disposed to regret relative to the Paper addressed to Col. Schuyler | 586 | Not in Wraxall. |
28192 [0049]
44
1696 [1699?]
10 Feby |
Justices of the Peace of the City of Albany by the Order of the Commanding Officer of this Garrison | Ordering that no horses mares nor Colts be transported from here to Canada on pain of forfeiture until such time that His Excellency the Earl of Bellomont shall give his further orders directing this affair | 588 | Not in Wraxall. | |
1699
10 Jan.y [June per DRCHNY] |
The Mayor Justices of the Peace of the City of Albany | Examining a Christian Maquase Indian relative to a certain writing which was made at the House of Donald [sic] Dallius yesterday Instant when he the said Dallias went away which has caused great disturbance amongst the Inhabitants | 588 | Text in DRCHNY 4:539; S of P adds nothing (other than that Wraxall omitted it.) Not in Wraxall.
“Sinnonquiresse the Maquase Sachim” plays a role. |
28193 [0050]
45. [same table format in the original; at this point I am dropping it in the transcription because it is awkward as entries get longer.]
June 12 1699 entry – p. 597 – Meeting of the Government appointed to manage the Indian Affairs in Albany
2 Govt people will be sent with the Indians to Canada to treat with with French for the release of their Prisoners.
Summary in Wraxall p. 32; text in DRCHNY 4:567 et seq.
June 13 1699 entry – p. 601 – Text in DRCHNY 4:569; summary in Wraxall p. 32-33; S of P adds nothing. [concerns prisoner exchange with Canada]
June 14 1699 entry – p. 606 with Sachims of the Five Nations “too small to read” Text in DRCHNY 4:571; part of meeting summarized in Wraxall p. 32-33.
28194 [0051]
46
June 15 1699 “The Government Relative to the delivery of three French Prisoners for their Brethren to Canada” p. 610 –
see Wraxall p. 33. Text in DRCHNY 4:572; S of P adds nothing.
June 16 1699 “The Sachims” Too small to make out p. 611 – Text in DRCHNY 4:573 – continues conference.
June 23 1699 entry for p. 613 appears to correspond with Wraxall p. 33 description of an August 23 1699 meeting about negotiations between the Five Nations and Wm. Markham on behalf of Pennsylvania. The entry refers to a letter of 18 April, entered into the S of P as a separate entry. Wraxall has a brief summary; the entry in the S of P is:
23 June Canessin Sachims of Onnondaga accompanied by 6 sachims of the Sinnekas and Cayugas in Albany
Wm. Markham Lt. Govr of the Province of Pennsylvania & Countres annexed made the right Honble Wm Penn absolute Proprietor & Governor in Chief of the same
18 April certifies that all whom it may concern that Kikshawtegh Sennekah Konnekeytegh Coyoqueagh Sattatenapow Sennecah have been with me in behalf of the Five Nations to Wit sennecas Cayoquekes Annondagas Ondeges & Mawques and in their behalf have requested a free trade and amity with this Government which was kindly accepted and promise made that they should be kindly received and dealt with all and have protection whenever they shall come peaceably amongst us
Dated Philadelphia 18th April 1699 signed Wm M[arkham]
[0052] is a lighter image of 28194
28195 [0053]
47
“no date” entry p. 614 is response to the letter. See Wraxall 33.
“We are surprised to hear of such a Treaty, and negotiation between your Brethren and our Neighbours of Pennsylvania without the least notice given or Care and permission obtained.”
16 May 1698 [1699 or 1700?] p. 616 Chief Sachims of the 4 Nations of Indians viz Onnondagas Oneydes Cayugas and Sinnekes at Albany.
Sadekammachtady Speaker
They came to excuse themselves of the scandal that was laid upon the 4 nations as they had from some of these Messengers that were sent from these Castles with Col Schuyler did tell them that they had had an underhand dealing with the Government of Canada to make a separate peace with him and that the Governor of Canada wood continue the war upon this Government
Not in Wraxall.
28196 [0054]
48.
no date p. 618
Govt response: To the 4 Nations of Indians made by the Magistrates of Albany. We are sorry that the Messengers sent to stop your journey to Albany did not meet you before you came here and their intentions not to make any further war with the Government of Canada — their desire to [unsulbwick] the governor General as to what would be beneficial for their general good
Possibly Wraxall p. 33 – continuation of conference starting Aug 23 1699?
28197 [0055]
49
p. 619 20 Sept. 1699 Five Nations Maquase Oneydes Onondagas cayugas Sinnekes in Albany “Indian No Interpretation” – probably the Propositions to the River Indians answered the next day.
Not in Wraxall
p. 621 21 Sept. 1699 Meeting of the Govt appointed to manage the Indian Affairs Relative to the Propositions made by the Gov.t to the River Indians
Not in Wraxall
p. 623 21 Sept. 1699 The Sachims of the Onnondagas to the Gentlement appointed to manage Indian Affairs at Albany Stating that a Company of the Sinnekes had been out hunting near their Castle five of whom had been killed and scalped — Proposal to the Sachims of of [sic] the Onnondagas that it would be convenient to go to Canada to demand of the Govt the reason why the French came and destroyed the Indians in alliance with the French.
Not in Wraxall; Text in DRCHNY 4:597 et seq.; S of P adds nothing.
28198 [0056]
50.
1700 7 April Suiquans & Saquahan two sachems of Skachkook before D. Shuyler & John Beecker Recorder & Mayor of Albany
Requesting that powder may be given them to go hunting with p. 626
Not in Wraxall
26 August Conference between Bellomont and the 5 Nations p. 630
No proceedings entered
corresponds to Wraxall 33, confirms that initial speech of Bellomont was not recorded in the minutes. However the text of the speech is included in the record in DRCHNY 4:727 et seq.
27 August p. 631
Second days Conference Sachims of the Five Nations vizt Maquase Oneidas Onondagas Cayugas Sinnekes
Reply to the Proposals made to them yesterday
Wraxall p. 33. Text in DRCHNY 4:728 et seq.; S of P adds nothing.
28199 [0057]
[51]
28 and 29 Augt. speeches p. 640, 641, 651
Wraxall p. 34 has summary. DRCHNY 4:731 et seq. has text. S of P adds nothing.
[0058] is a lighter copy of 28199
[0059] is a darker copy of [0060]
28200 [0060]
52
30 and 31 Augt. — pp. 665 & 662. Conference continues. Wraxall has clearer account on p. 35-38. S of P does not appear to add anything. See DRHCNY 4:727 et seq.
31 Augt 1700 p. 663 Wraxall does not include this entry which is the River Indians Proposal to the Earl of Belmont Captain General & Governor in Chief, but the S of P says only “too small and indistinct.” — see DRHCNY 4:743
28201 [0061] 53. [tabular heading]
p 666. Continues account of Aug. 31 1700 speeches between Five Nations and Bellomont; see Wraxall p 37-38; DRHCNY has text 4:739 et seq. Includes Henry’s speech about the land being returned.
Faithfully promising to be dutiful subjects to the Great King of England in reply to his reminding them to be firm to their Covenant Chain. Also [desiring] that our Brother Corlaer would write to the Great King of England that the limits between them and the French of Canada to prevent all Controversies so that each may know his boundary.
[no page recorded:] 9 Sept.r 1701 Maquase to the River Indians. Proposition by some of the Five Nations to the Commissioners of Indian Affairs. 3d of July last bringing word before the Earl of Bellemont relating to a Belt sent by the Govt of Canada praying the Indians of Cachapuaga and the Five Nations to disown the Government of Canada.
Possibly Wraxall p. 38, in which case date is 1700 not 1701.
Text may be in DRCHNY 4:745, not with the River Indians but on the same topic.
28202 [0062]
54 [same heading]
1701 14 [or 19] July p. 680 — Lt. Gov. Nanfan conference with 5 Nations. see Wraxall p. 38 for summary. See DRCHNY 4:896 et seq. for text. The 14th starts on p. 898 S of P adds nothing.
1701 19 July p. 686 — probably the same conference but this is the River Indians speech, not recorded by Wraxall or in DRCHNY:
Proposition of River Indians to the Hon.ble John Nanfen Esqr Lieut Gov.r Commander in Chief of New York. Expressing their satisfaction wt. his coming to succeed their Father and that esteem themselves happy that there is such a person pitched upon to be their father and governor who we hoe will take care of us.
see DRCHNY 4:902
28203 [0063] 55 see DRCHNY 4:904 et seq. continuation of the conference – S of P adds nothing.
28204 [0064] 56 see DRCHNY 4:907 et seq. (at least partly a literal transcription). continuation of the conference. – S of P adds nothing.
Wraxall p. 41 says there are no Records entered of Indian Affairs between this conference and Dec. 13 1704. In reality there are a few items, but scattered and out of order in the S of P.
28205 [0065] 57
1701 [1702?] 18 Jan.y p. 700
Shacbak [Schaghticoke?] Indians in City Hall of Albany. It is God pleasure that the Government has again [vouchsafed] a good hunting of venison & tho we are few and have not much to give our Brother to acknowledge the manifold favors we have received we beg you to accept of some venison as a Gift [Apparently Wraxall did not consider this a significant event.]
Appears to be the same speech as the one at the end of the book on pages 814-815, the pages stamped 28283-28284, images [0145] and [0146].
The S of P notes do not include the records in DRCHNY for 1702-1704, including journals of trips to Onnondaga, councils held there, and the council at Albany with Lord Cornbury and 2 Canada Maquase Sachims held July 9 1702 printed in DRCHNY 4:978 or one with the 5 nations July 1702?. This confirms Wraxall p. 42. For this period DRCHNY is the most complete record, supplemented by LIR. Perhaps because R Livingston was preoccupied? Or were records deliberately omitted? – Check DRCHNY again against 1702 records at end of AIC Book 1.
1704 13 Dec.r p. 701
Meeting of Commissioners for Managing the Indian Affairs. Relative to the arrival of a Sachim of Onnondaga in company with a Frenchman from the Government of Canada and further upon the desire of the said French for a Meeting of the Five Nations to be held in five and and that the Sachims now resolve to tarry until they hear if their Brother Corlaer to the said Meeting.
See Wraxall p. 42 for summary. S of P adds nothing.
28206 [0066] 58.
1704 17 Dec. p. 703
Meeting of Commissioners for the managing Indian Affairs Captain Abraham Schuyler Lawrence Glacer [Claessen] Interpreter
Acquainting the Commissioners that 2 of their Indians are come from Canada to within Six Miles of Schenectady who state they saw the Caguawaga holding Meetings with the French for their Journey with an army of French who set out from Canada
Wraxall p. 42 has more complete account.
1705
3 [?] Jan.y p. 704
Meeting of Commissioners for the Managing Indian Affairs
Scoagioyir a french Indian arrived from Canada informs that on consideration of the two Belts of Wampum by the Colonel Schuyler and the rest of the Government in August last sent to Canada whereby the Praying Indians then in the Castle of Cagnawaga were desired to come and settle in the Mohogs Country says that the said Indians have had several disputes with the Govt. of Canada they have resolved to come hither and stay here and that three of the Chiefs Sachems of the said Castle are now on their way & others have resolved to come in the Spring.
Wraxall p. 43 describes this a little differently with no date. S of P adds details.
AROUND THIS POINT THE S OF P BEGINS TO INCLUDE MORE DETAILED INFO AND BECOME A VALUABLE SUPPLEMENT TO WRAXALL AND OTHER SOURCES.
28257 [0118] [no handwritten number]
On this page of the notes, the date jumps from 1706 back to 1701. Stamped pages 28257-28283, Cornell images [0118-0145], which contain notes for pages 790-813 of Minute Book I, cover a conference held in July 1701 between Lieutenant Governor Nanfan and the Five Nations. It is printed in DRCHNY 4:896-906. The S of P notes add nothing and have not been transcribed, except for the first and last pages which also have additional material.
1706 [Dec.r] p. 782
that will happen if our Indians are detained Prisoner and to dissuade our Brethren from being over credulous upon the Reports of the Indians and if the matter of fact is related to us us Indians we will come to endeavor to have the said Looks the Indian punished according to his merits
Not in Wraxall.
in Albany
Propositions begun & [illeg] 12 July 1701 [sic] 2.d Day’s Conference p. 790
12 July 1701
14 July 1701
Present
Col. P Schuler of his Majesty’s Council & Five Nations of Indians vizt the Maquase Oneydes Onnondagas Cayugas and Sinnekes to the Honrble John Manpan [Nanfan] His Majesty’s Lieut Governor of the Province of New York & its dependencies
Onieriske assorum Speaker
Brother Corlaer, We are glad to see in this Station to command this Province we must own ourselves very happy under so gracious a King who was so prudent as to send our two Governors, the one to succeed the other we take it to be his great care and love to us we are sorry for the death of our late Governor the Earl of Belmont we hope his soul is in Heaven and on the other hand we are glad to see so good a man as your self succeeds
him
28283 [0145]
126
1701 21 July p. 813
Incroach upon us and destroy our People away from us, and we pray you to send us word when he is gone and when he returns for we expect him again in the Spring. Doe give 10 Bevers.
The Lt. Gov told them he would consider this proposition and would do anything that was proper for him to [do] for their ease satisfaction and future tranquillity.
1702 [?18] Jan.y p. 814
Schaghkook Indians
Present
J. Bleeker Mayor
J. Schuyler
John Abeel
J. Roosboom
W: Brook
H Hanse
Captain Jas Wemys
Brethren
It is God’s pleasure that we see one another agin who has vouchsafed to us a good hunting of venison and we are few, and have not much to give the Brethren yet acknowledge the many favours we receive do make you a present of some venison as a New-Years gift which we pray you to accept. We are ashamed that we have no deer Skins to give as well as the flesh, but it is your fault as well as ours for
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the Christians have strong Drink every where to sell out of Town, and our people who are great lovers of it spends their skins in good Liquor and so have none to give you but this skin
Since it cannot be hindered the selling of drink we desire when our People get drunk that they be not shut out of doors in this cold weather — for we are one heart, and if they be unmercifully shutt out of doors in the frost it may kill them, therefore where they gott their drink Let them sleep out till they are sober.
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Wraxall says on p. 42 that there are no records of Indian Affairs between July 21 1701 and Dec. 13 1704. It appears that there were a few but they may have been out of order.